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Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP03 Apr 2013 7:23 a.m. PST

Alas, my choices seem to doom a paint manufacturer.
I started out with Heritage British Scarlet.
When Heritage paints went belly up, I switched to a Polly S paint.
Then, there was my favorite, Armoury's Brick Red.
When I bought a jar of Howards Hues Brick Red, I thought it would last a while, but HH are one of those where you better use them up REAL fast. I have a jar with a semi solid mass in the bottom. Some is recoverable, since I just did my Volunteers of Ireland and 71st Foot. But, not for long.

What is YOUR favorite British Scarlet paint?
I use it over white prime, if that makes any difference.

Craft, Vallejo, GW, etc.

Midpoint03 Apr 2013 7:43 a.m. PST

The Foundry Scarlet triple for me. The base coat covers my preferred black undercoat well. Never tried it over white.

Pictors Studio03 Apr 2013 7:44 a.m. PST

Middle Red from Cel Vinyl for the base coat, then Red, then highlight with Vermillion. Officers coats get a stronger Vermillion high light. All colours are from Cel Vinyl.

MajorB03 Apr 2013 7:57 a.m. PST

Coat d'Arms 104 Blood Red

SJDonovan03 Apr 2013 8:37 a.m. PST

My favourite is the Scarlet from the Miniature Paints range available from Ral Partha Europe (though I actually buy mine from the Orc's Nest in London). I use this for the officer's coats and I use their Terracotta for the rank and file. Both colours are a slightly deeper shade of red than is shown in the swatches on the website.

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Callan03 Apr 2013 8:40 a.m. PST

Humbrol H.178 British Scarlet is the only paint that looks sufficiently dull to be authentic IHMO. The coats of the rank and file were until the introduction of synthetic dyes in the 1870s (by when the switch to khaki was already in progress) made from madder lake, a colour described as "mid valued, moderately dull violet red pigment in tints and medum solutions, darkening to an impermanent, dull magenta red in masstone". Only officers' coats were a true scarlet; either made from the more expensive cochineal or various types of "mock scarlet" usually made from shellac.

Huscarle03 Apr 2013 8:41 a.m. PST

My favourite is Humbrol Acrylic M60 Matt Scarlet

Evil Bobs Miniature Painting03 Apr 2013 8:53 a.m. PST

I second what Pictor's said.

Personal logo JammerMan Supporting Member of TMP03 Apr 2013 9:06 a.m. PST

Vallejo 817 Scarlet

Supercilius Maximus03 Apr 2013 9:08 a.m. PST

Venice Red or Red Oxide from the Winsor & Newton "Finity" Acrylic ranges for the rank-and-file.

Timmo uk03 Apr 2013 9:10 a.m. PST

I use Vallejo Red 70947. It's the only red I own. I mix it with varying amounts of black to get all the red hues and tones I need. I always paint over white primer.

SECURITY MINISTER CRITTER03 Apr 2013 9:27 a.m. PST

If I needed it, I would get the Hunbrol.

IronDuke596 Supporting Member of TMP03 Apr 2013 9:33 a.m. PST

I use Humbrol enamel 60 Matt Scarlet for officers and Sergeants and 153 matt Signal red for other ranks representing the different quality of cloths between the two groups. This is for napoleonics and War of 1812 Brits and Canadians.
Re different paints strive for a dull brick red for the ORs and a bright red for officers and Sergeants.

idontbelieveit03 Apr 2013 9:39 a.m. PST

Depends on how scarlet you think it is.

If you want it as more of a dull red – Foundry Madder Red triad. If you really want scarlet, then base with the Foundry Madder Red A and highlight with Foundry scarlet A & C.

Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Supporting Member of TMP03 Apr 2013 9:52 a.m. PST

I use Reaper Pro Paints "Blood Red" for my rank and file.

epturner03 Apr 2013 10:02 a.m. PST

Folk Art Craft paint. Or Delta Ceramcoat.

For my Brits it's Barn Red, I think.

Eric

A Twiningham03 Apr 2013 10:11 a.m. PST

For rank and file I start with Vallejo burnt cadmium red (or the black red if you prefer), mid range is cavalry brown (actually very red-brown) then finish off with flat red for a nice brick red look. For a more faded "on campaign" look I replace the flat red with orange brown. Officers get scarlet highlights over the flat red.

doug612503 Apr 2013 10:41 a.m. PST

I remeber reading an eye witness account many years that described british soldiers jackets varying from dark scarlet to an almost orange shade in mthe same regiment, so I wouldnt get to exited as long as your happy. even modern unforms fade in colour fast and soldiers preferr to keep their faded kit as long possible to look 'ali'

Woolshed Wargamer03 Apr 2013 11:22 a.m. PST

I use GW Red gore , with GW Blood red over it. Then a red wash. Mind you, I have only painted one regiment so it is a learning curve.

vtsaogames03 Apr 2013 11:41 a.m. PST

I use craft paint red and add a touch of yellow for the officers.

Redlancer3803 Apr 2013 12:09 p.m. PST

Same as Midpoint.

ubercommando03 Apr 2013 12:41 p.m. PST

My Napoleonics are all 15mm and I find Humbrol Matt 60 the best for me.

Personal logo Unlucky General Supporting Member of TMP03 Apr 2013 1:19 p.m. PST

By the Gods. I was convinced I was the last man on earth who still painted figures with Humbrol enamels but I see I am not alone.

For material, no one else is flat enough. I've painted and still paint more red-coated troops than anything – SYW, British Napoleonics in vast enough numbers. I also paint exclusively over white prime undercoats – can't see what I'm doing otherwise. I will throw in brick-red and the occasional brown for my Peninsular troops but primarily I always mix a bit of black with my signal-red (think that's the name) which are well diluted with spirit to wash over the surface. One coat is generally all that is needed for seamless shading and realistic fading.

Rich Bliss03 Apr 2013 2:32 p.m. PST

I use Liquitex Napithol Red Light mixed with tiny amount of burnt sienna to darken.

Bandolier03 Apr 2013 3:06 p.m. PST

'Old' Citadel Gore Red, then Blood Red, then Vallejo Scarlet for highlights.

Supercilius Maximus03 Apr 2013 3:07 p.m. PST

<<I use craft paint red and add a touch of yellow for the officers.>>

That, sir, is an unwarranted slur on the reputation of the British officer corps, and I must ask you to step out into the car park this instant……

HistoryPhD03 Apr 2013 9:10 p.m. PST

I use Stone Mountain's British Scarlet

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Coyotepunc and Hatshepsuut03 Apr 2013 9:17 p.m. PST

I use craft paint red as well, spevifically Delta Ceramcoat Cardinal Red. Which is probably way too bright, but distinguishable at 15mm so it's all good.

Keraunos03 Apr 2013 11:12 p.m. PST

I remember a friend having a humbrol 6 pack of British Napoleonic colours, and the scarlet in that was almost orange.

mind you, that was in the 80s

carojon03 Apr 2013 11:43 p.m. PST

I use a three shade technique using Vallejo

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britishlinescarlet204 Apr 2013 2:35 a.m. PST

Humbrol H.178 British Scarlet….I still have a number of tins of this from my Humbrol enamel days…..discontinued a long time ago!

vonLoudon08 Jun 2013 9:29 a.m. PST

I loved Humbrol. Painted my first two ACW brigades with them. In fact some of their colors for me to this day are the business and haven't been duplicated. Alas, I love my lungs more.

Weland08 Jun 2013 5:37 p.m. PST

I use which ever is closest at the time… Vallejo Scarlet, Vallejo Vermillion, or Citadel Evil Sunz Scarlet.

Count Belisarius10 Jun 2013 10:44 a.m. PST

@TimmoUK,

I used the Vallejo Red for ages and really liked it. Over Burnt Cadmium Red with Scarlet highlight it give a love ly colour. But I bought a new one recently and the shade has definitely changed. But annoying really…

They did this with Russian Green a couple of years ago and I still don't like the new colour!

Andy

PVT64120 Jun 2013 11:45 a.m. PST

I second Humbrol Acrylic M60 Matt Scarlet.

Warpaint Figures21 Jun 2013 2:51 a.m. PST

Used to use ye olde Humbrol enamel scarlet and still have a soft spot for it.

If I'm going from black I tend to base with Vallejo Burnt Cadmium Red which I love and then use the Foundry British Redcoat Triple.

I going from white u/c just the Foundry paints. It doesn't matter then if you get variation of the colours and covergae as on campaign the degredation of the dyes was common. Often give a quick very thin almost glaze wash with Windsor and Newton Deep Red ink

Stew

Greystreak21 Jun 2013 5:42 a.m. PST

Wargames Foundry "British Redcoat 68". grin

vonLoudon21 Jun 2013 10:18 a.m. PST

Humbrol Rifle Green. My absolute favorite wargame paint color. Who makes the exact color in acrylic? No room for error on this one.

le Grande Quartier General Supporting Member of TMP29 Jun 2013 6:54 p.m. PST

Mix my own- have to, due to the black primer and titanum white drybrush prep I use. Mine has a bit more orange for the troop, a bit more red for the officers- reflects the weathering/dyes used. Windsor & Newton acrylics for the reds greens and yellows- otherwise I use simple craft acrylics mostly.

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