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25 Mar 2013 6:09 a.m. PST
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Deadone26 Mar 2013 3:46 p.m. PST

I think basically BF got too big for their boots.

VonBurge26 Mar 2013 4:02 p.m. PST

That might very well be the proximate cause, and if it's not, a little humility never hurts.

Grandviewroad26 Mar 2013 6:23 p.m. PST

what is WWPD, anyway?

Deadone26 Mar 2013 6:28 p.m. PST

What Would Patton Do. – wwpd.net.

Mainly FOW website – you'd like it,

Chef Lackey Rich Fezian26 Mar 2013 6:53 p.m. PST

For some people think it's good to be kicked in the nuts and then be apologised to.

Good management and good customer relations would result in nut kicking not happening in first place.

Extending the analogy, an apology and a promise to try not to do it again is better than nothing at all. And it is possible to unintentionally make business decisions, where it's pretty difficult to accidentally deliver a literal boot to the jimmies. Sometimes it's just stupidity and lack of forethought, not malice and greed at work.

Mind you, I'm not sure that's the case here, but it's a possiblity to consider.

DrDeeNZ26 Mar 2013 10:11 p.m. PST

I guess that's what happens when you put people in charge of a gaming company that bigger more successful gaming companies saw as dead weight and cut them loose.

Lewisgunner27 Mar 2013 2:41 a.m. PST

No, it is what happens when companies get to a size where issues of production and marketing and product release policies take over.

Of course, VB they are not marketing to small boys in the same way as Airfix were, but they are trying to sell through shops that have a hobby rather than a wargaming core market.

Normal figure manufacturers sell huge amounts to people who do not wargame at competitions. Competition wargamers are actually a rather poor market because many of them have an attitude that emphasises gaming over buying toys. At a competition t'other day a friend of mine brought along 30 year old Mikes Models Turks (I know essex have reintroduced them). That is no use for a manufacturer. If Battlefront had to rely on competition players only then they would have a poor market.
Whilst I cannot believe that Nam is a good move I certainly doubt that it would survive as a range if it sold to those who play competitively with it.

And yes a friend who has a nephew and I have a second cousin who play FoW and buy product and they are 12 and 11. But I don't mean that BF want to sell to kids, they want. To sell to what passes for a mass market of passive, appreciative, non price sensitive people………which ain't you guys!

As the OFM said earlier bigger companies are not about to put complaints up on their websites. In this case it's more than that. A bakery company does not have to suffer self appointed experts with no little ego pontificating about their product. If people want to do that to Ford or Toyota they set up their own website to do it.

jameshammyhamilton27 Mar 2013 2:46 a.m. PST

Tournament players do indeed make up a very small proportion of the market to a company like BF. That said they do also have a massively disproportionate presence on the various forums.

Hopefully BF will stick with their seemingly more lax policy but I fear that a lot of damage was done simply by them revealing what would seem to be their true colours.

(Another Loser)27 Mar 2013 4:40 a.m. PST

The decision to monitor and delete posts strictly has come from the very top the owner Peter S – I blame Brian Smaller for the whole thing

@ TT makes a change from you getting the blame from BF staff,even though you have been on their forums for nearly 9 months? evil grin
LES

(Stolen Name)09 Apr 2013 5:28 p.m. PST

Hello my name is TT and I have been clean now for 8 months three weeks and 4 days………………

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