"concept 3d APC" Topic

Ive been playing about with some 3d things lately and have so far come up with this.

Needs work on the turret attachment and the wheels.

The back cab area is modular and Ive a few options on mind

If anyone is possibly interested in it let me know, Ive no experience in casting resin and no real intentions to do so, so happy to pass the design over for a few copies of it :)

Keith
AA

Make one in 28mm . With Old crow out of the game we are left with limited options . Antenociti has the largest selection . ( very nice models BTW) after that it is dribs and drabs

Old Crow is back in the game my friend, i just put in a 150$ order today:)

~Jared

Not to be too critical, but the geometry on that is really boring to me. While I understand that a lot of 15mm people seem to value extreme realism/plausibility, this brings nothing new to the table other than being slightly different than other near/future ifvs.

Not liking the driver's position (?). Square sides, square lip in front, square "cap bill" …

What El Wombato said… it's not a bad design but it's not doing anything that isn't already available. Then again, plausible near-future scifi isn't really my taste… I like the cooler/weirder looking vehicles… or at least with more curves like the SF3D (MaK) stuff. Make a 15mm (or 6mm) Nutrocker tank and I'll stand in line to buy it.

concepttanks.blogspot.com

Take a look at this blog for lots of cool inspiration, and its sister concept robots blog. I'm getting a bit tired of the Soviet look myself.

fair points all

which is why its likely to be just for me :)

I think it's a great start! Keep it up, Keith!

It's quite well designed! I really like the turret too.

I understand what people are saying about the design being hard-edged and near future, but that's exactly what it is supposed to be.

This is an APC designed to accompany a similarly themed set of figures with a level of tech that is contemporary to the vehicle's. To the market that Keith is producing for, this vehicle brings much to the table as it is not a real vehicle, but looks like it could be.

-Eli

I like it especially the sharp angled look and I'd buy it in 15mm.

How does it turn? The front wheels seem pretty tightly contained within their wells.

The overall design seems ok but it's not very refined. It looks a little toylike but then again that's an issue with many sci fi vehicle designs, not just this one.

How does it turn? The front wheels seem pretty tightly contained within their wells.

The overall design seems ok but it's not very refined. It looks a little toylike but then again that's an issue with many sci fi vehicle designs, not just this one.

I can see that with the wheel wells, but it's a little hard to tell from this angle.

I'm curious what about it makes it look toy like? After you wrote that I took another look at it to see if I could see where you were coming from and nothing stood out to me.

What makes it more toy like than any of these:

I can see that with the wheel wells, but it's a little hard to tell from this angle.

If you look at the second photo you can see that the first two sets of wheels have almost no ability to pivot without colliding with the body of the truck.

What makes it more toy like than any of these:

Even those vehicles, all of which have about as simple and clean a design as you can get (and particularly the AV81), are much more refined than the design. (Which is hardly surprising as they are real vehicles!)

Then again, some real vehicles do look like toys, don't they?

I guess i'm not seeing the toy-like nature… I think it fits in very well with the other vehicles as a realistic design.

I do agree about the space for the wheels to turn though. Maybe a angle in the well for the first two wheels to give them more room.

I guess i'm not seeing the toy-like nature…

Not sure I can show what is after all a subjective view of the thing, but to me it looks like a first draft of a design.

Are there any particular design elements that you think are missing?

Indeed Eli, it is near future and not something you would not see in the not to distant future. In my bumph and scenarios I require simple vehicles as I believe that any colonising of worlds will need to be have reliable and self supportable tech, hence the multi terrain wheeled vehicles. I do include grab/hover tech, however only on worlds capable of supporting them and I can find them at gzg or old crow etc. I could use moderns, however I like the extras like the anti rpg devices attached, drones etc, so I thought I'd create some. They may remain for my own use, however if I do have interest I'd happily help provide them or pass them to a pro to look after.

As for the steering ill take a look and see if I can adjust them. It's simply a matter of repositionsing them I hope. As for toys, not sure what that means and to be frank I'm not entirely suprised PR you made that comment. Each to their own heh!

Thanks all for the support

Keith

P.s

It is a first draught, hence I've been playing around and I'm asking for advice

Ta:)

Keith

Looks like I was correct, MrHarold.

I've already pointed out the steering issue, which I think may be rectified by opening up the front wells a bit and perhaps removing the dividers between the first and second wheel.

I would shorten the nose so it looks less like a Dust Buster on wheels.

With the large turret it's looking more like a recon vehicle, which is what you may intend, but IFVs tend to have smaller turrets (or, with bigger turrets, a lower passenger capacity).

Actually, I still have to look. So it might just be the angle:)

It's modular. I have an APC version, mortar, command, medical, turreted and atgm in the making.

I like this vehicle from an aesthetic view. Although the back tire is close to the 3rd ones. ARMIE did say he needed to work on it. Id buy three of em
When its finalized. It looks more like something military police would use. Rather than frontline armor.

The wheels needed to be aligned a tad. Looks like it can turn better.
Ive also brought the turret a little forward. Needs work on the turret ring and top hull. Thanks Chris

Mortar version

Needs the same work on the top hull

Troop carrier version

The HMG needs to be replaced as its not my work. It will have an Xm 307 series in its place

Working on the command/medical version now to.

cheers all

still needs tweaks here and there and some detail. Ive also got to add a drone. The drone will be available for my Commonwealth troops in the near future.

Are people mistaking an image of a toy (yes it is, it is a model toy tank) for a draft of an actual vehicle?

Oh my what next, the gun does not actually fire, what use is that in a fight…
It is not real, use your imagination.
My 3 year old can pretend a cuddly toy dog is human, surley we adults can pretend a fictional made up toy vehicle can move?

Keith, stop offering more choice!!

PS: drop me an e-mail, I have an idea on what may make it even coolerer.

It's also incredibly impractical to try to get every last detail on a 15mm version of a vehicle.

Even though some companies have managed to do so but is it worth it? much of that detail goes right out the door once you paint it and don't even get me started on the view from 3ft above the table.

-Eli

In Angel Barracks' mind, this

Equals this

Lovely for you though that is, Angel Barracks, some of us like our vehicles to look less toylike and more like scale models. Sorry that you disagree.

In Angel Barracks' mind, this

Equals this

Lovely for you though that is, Angel Barracks, some of us like our vehicles to look less toylike and more like scale models. Sorry that you disagree.

MrHarold, I do not chase after people when they give an opinion on a model or some figurines telling them that their opinion is wrong.

Does this still hold true porfirio rubirosa?

Ah, yes a reasonable comparison…

Why not just say…

vs

Because scale and target market and the fact that it's a work in progress have nothing to do with the disparity. Keith is showing an early model for a proposed release for a model that will likely be 3-4 inches long when done.

Lighten up man…

-Eli

I wonder if any perceived "toylike" appearance might be caused in part by Sketchup's cartoonish rendering? Sketchup doesn't apply materials or textures as nicely as Solidworks or Rhino. Something else with large, flatter surfaces (like an Old Crow Slingshot or a Khurasan Locust) might look just as toy-like in this format.

Keith's vehicle design will look quite different in painted resin than it does on a screen.

-Chris K.

Some possible design inspiration for you, AA:

Keep going. Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder, if you'll pardon my pun…

Leland R. Erickson
Metal Express
metal-express.net

Keep it up man, we can always use another near future vehicle that is plausible. Despite what is said, their aren't too many of those available for purchase on the market that are of high quality, at least of this type. :)

~Jared

Thanks all!

Sketchup has its limits and I may run it through rhino, I've a demo version still unused I can try.

PR

I really don't know what to say to you anymore. In fact that's not true, I don't know what I can say anymore and be polite. Enjoy your own motives, whatever you think they maybe.

Leyland
Are they a Chinese ripoff of mine ? :)

some of us like our vehicles to look less toylike and more like scale models

But how do you know what a scale model of a made up/pretend/FICTIONAL tank would look like?

Tell you what, you show me some images of the 'actual' tank that Keith has just made up in his head and I will look at the 3D model and compare it to the real world version of the pretend tank and I will have another judge of it.

Reminds me of when I invented the ECM, the Earth Corps Marines and made mention that they operated in squads.

I was informed that this was incorrect and that they infact operate in Fire Teams.

I challenged the poster how he knew my made up fictional army could not have squads, he said that we have Fire Teams now so therefore it would be realistic to have them 200 years from now.

I pointed out the ECM were not actually real and as such I could have them in whatever designation I liked as they exist in my head.

He would not have it..

.

I was challenged once about a model that did not have visible hinges on the door, how can those doors open people questioned??
Calling the model unrealistic…

Dunno, the same way hover tanks use plasma cannons to blow up teleporters?

Not real is it..

hehehe :)

Does this still hold true porfirio rubirosa?

Sure, don't see why not. After all Angel Barracks' comment was aimed squarely at invalidating an opinion I'd expressed. Not sure why you're having such trouble following the plot on this.

Tell you what, you show me some images of the 'actual' tank that Keith has just made up in his head and I will look at the 3D model and compare it to the real world version of the pretend tank and I will have another judge of it.

According to your line of reasoning, this doesn't look toylike:

… because it's not a real tank so it could be a very realistic depiction of what the real tank of this would look like.

Textbook example of begging the question -- very well done!

Armiesarmy, the revisions make improvements on the design's appearance. Would suggest you trim the beak off the front as it seems gratuitous length, making it take up more room than necessary, and also making it harder to manoeuvre. Also suggest removing the dividers between the first and second wheels altogether, and making the well for those first two wheels deeper, so that it looks like they have more room to steer than the rearward two wheels. Like the LAV/Strkyer.

210

Hey, I like the "beak". In fact I like the whole vehicle and its variants. Nice, solid design, useful for many types of armies and paramilitaries.

thanks for the feedback, however I don't wish it to look like the stryker. Its design is based around the GTK boxer. I am adding back some detail for the suspension which I had removed as I thought it would be small and brittle.

I also intend to create the rear section so its 'easier' to align. A plug and play sort of module. So Ill have an indent/plug for each option. The basic option being simply a flat back.

Again, your example is far too extreme PR.

Keith's digital model is leaps and bounds more realistic than the tin toy you used as an example. Sure it lacks all the tie-downs, hand holds, steps, vents, and other greeblies that a real fully rendered vehicle might have. But it's just a start.

I submit this, an early 3D model of a Stryker -

One might argue that at this stage it looks far too simple compared to the real vehicle.

Or perhaps this of the Otokar Kobra

Again, it is a simplified early version.

The design is solid and a hell of a lot more so than some other science fiction vehicles that have come out.

I suppose it's easy to sit back in the comfort and safety of the internet and throw stones at peoples' creative endeavors. You very much like to point out how things are derivative, simplified, unrealistic, nonsensical, or sometimes you just like to let the world know how much you hate something.

You talk about people invalidating your opinions with their arguments, but that is what they are – arguments. Are your opinions so sacred to you that you cannot weather a little opposition. Do you need validation?

-Eli

Holy cow, this community is a firestorm sometimes! Constructive criticism is ok, but this is a Science Fiction miniatures forum after all, the vehicle could look like a rubber ducky with treads and have barrels sticking out of its butt and it would still fly. Everybody needs to take a chill pill:)

AA- i thinks its a solid design, not ground breaking, but it doesn't have to be. Looks great! I'd like to see some alternative turrets for it, and maybe some applique armor that could be added on separately. Just my opinion …though i really would like to see you design a rubber ducky battle mobile. I'd buy the hell outta that thing!

~Jared

Cheers Jared

I think this is a little more then just about my design…..:)

and rightly so in my opinion!

You have hit the nail on the head Eli! again!
Gubbins will follow, once Im happy with the shape and design

Trolls troll. Its like crack
The trick is to ignore them… a debate w them
Is pointless… as ur opinion is a mute point
Before A response is posted.

They like seeing only their point of view.
And how angry it can make others…. then
They plead innocent or the victim when
Challenged..

I love this scale and support it financially
Quite a lot… bickering is never good…
So haters go away

Liking the hmg version by the way

I think the designs look good and I welcome yet more choice in this cornucopia that is 1/100th scale SF.

It's (pretty much) all good.

210 indeed, Angel Barracks. 211, in fact…

John T

210 indeed, Angel Barracks. 211, in fact

Makes life just that little bit nicer does it not…

I think the more sensibly we think about our scifi toys (which is what they are at the end of the day), the more likely they are to lose all creative originality.

Keith, the design looks great. I would be a happy man to have managed to work a vehicle design to that level in 3D. If I can, I will buy some of these.

Colin

Looks pretty good there ArmiesArmy – I would buy a few in 15mm.

Trolls troll. Its like crack

The standard definition of a troll I see -- "anyone who disagrees with me has to be a troll, because I can't be wrong."

Constructive criticism is ok,

Bite your tongue! You have to uncritically adore everything, go on about how you'll take ten and how your wallet has been spotted crawling under the bed, or you're a troll.

Meanwhile improvements have been made to the design based on my input. Which would not have been made had the design just been met by the normal gushing ….

And it's good to see Angel Barracks keeping the discussion at the level where he's most comfortable.