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John the OFM11 Mar 2013 8:53 a.m. PST

Reading Seymour's book on the PA.
There were 3 battalions in Philadelphia, all "smartly dressed" in the latest fashion. They were officered by a Who's Who of non-Tory Society.
The three battalions wore brown coats, faced in white, red and buff. White linen small clothes. Round hats with feathers and ribbons in facing colors. So, I picked up a pack of 25mm Old Glory Continental Marines over the weekend at Cold wars.
It has two command sets, so that should give me 2 15 man battalions.

For precedent in flags, I have the Hanover Associators. I will not go that route, since they were country boys, and not of the smart, society set.
I will take as precedent the flag of the Philadelphia Light Horse.

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The upper canton USED to be the Union, but was obliterated in Revolutionary fervor.
I picture the flags of the three infantry battalions as following that example, but starting with the British model.
Both the white and red facings flag could have a St George cross flag with the Union in the upper staff canton. I could obliterate the canton, and perhaps add LIBERTY in white along the crossbar, for the proper Revolutionary fervor. Or, maybe just have plain red or white field, similarly treated.
Buff, no St. George cross, of course.

Any thoughts?

((I will really have egg on my face if I read a few pages further and find actual descriptions! grin))

Gnu200011 Mar 2013 9:02 a.m. PST

I'd go for plain fields and the canton, rather than the cross of St George. No evidence though. Look forward to seeing the finished figures.

Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Sponsoring Member of TMP11 Mar 2013 10:31 a.m. PST

The stripes in the canton meme seemed to be used quite a bit around the Philadelphia area in 1776-1777 (e.g. the Delaware flag or Brandywine flag) so I'd go with something like that. Another idea, use the same flag for each battalion but change the background color to match the battalion's facing color.

epturner11 Mar 2013 12:27 p.m. PST

John;
Oh, I think Karl Von Hessian can do better than that for your Associators.

I forgot to bring the flag he made just for you! It's perfect for your Associator B'hoys. A true banner for the Sons Of Liberty types.

Eric
grin

John the OFM11 Mar 2013 6:48 p.m. PST

I am waiting with baited/bated breath…

COL Scott0again13 Mar 2013 9:57 a.m. PST

John no help on the flags, though I could ask some friends at the U.S. Army Center of History, they have LOTS of original flags there.

However:
'Bated' is simply a shortened form of 'abated', meaning 'to bring down, lower or depress'. 'Abated breath' makes perfect sense and that's where the phrase comes from.

citation from phrases.org.uk

John the OFM14 Mar 2013 9:48 p.m. PST

I was rooting through my Bag O'Flags, and came up with the following.

A red LIBERTY flag with the Union in the upper left canton.
A plain buff field with an obliterated canton, similar to the PLH.
Several white with red George cross and wreath.

Sionce I only have two command stands, I think I will go with 1 and 2.

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