"Pics of Krupp Mountain Gun pre 1889 - Help?" Topic

Does anyone have a pic of a Krupp Mountain gun pre the introduction of the one used during the Span-Am war?

Which one do you need?

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Ehrhard 7,5
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Krupp 7,5

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Krupp 7,7 old pattern
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Krupp 7,7 new pattern

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Incase you need more info, please say so…it would help for which piece in which action are you looking for?

Greetings and have fun

Shipka,
I have some pictures of Krupp mountain guns in the Greek service during the 1897 war. I don't know what model they were; probably around 1875, since the Greek Krupp field guns were Model 1875. For what it's worth, I also spent a lot of time looking for pictures of the 80mm mountain guns the French dragged all over North Africa. I finally found them in a Costa Rican artillery manual at the Latin American Collection of the University of Texas in Austin. Foreign military sales were apparently big back then, too.

Let me see if I can figure out how to post pictures here.

Grelber

OK, we shall see if I figured out how to use Flickr

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It it worked, this should be the link to the first of three photos of Greek 75mm Krupp mountain guns. The two in color were taken by me at the Polemos Museum in Athens in 2004. I understand Krupp delivered guns with black metal and grey wood, though I'm not sure that this is THE grey, after over a century of repainting. The third photo was taken by Richard Harding Davis back in 1897, and shows the guns in action. This is from Davis' book A Year From A Reporter's Note-Book, 1903.

Grelber

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Grelber,

Nice foto, it is a krupp c64.

The c64 can be bought from foundry in the FPW range. The other model can be bought from old glory in the sudan range.

I found the notes I took when I took the photos! The little plaque on the gun said it was used from 1885 until after WWI, and had a range of 5000 meters.I don't recall having a tape measure with me, so I must have paced off the dimensions (hence these are rough): width--76.2 cm or 2.5 feet, length 2.286 meters, 7.5 feet. Wheels are pants pocket high (really useful measurement, that!).

Rudi, I bought the OG Sudan guns for my Greek field artillery. Now, I my have to buy some of the Foundry guns, since the Greeks actually fielded 11 mountain batteries and just 9 field batteries in 1897.

Rudi, any ideas about Krupp nomenclature and production procedures? The sources for Greek field artillery referred to the Greeks (not a rich country, then or now) buying guns over a period of several years around 1875. The impression I got was that they were pretty much the same model, all took the same black powder ammunition, but that there might have been minor changes over a period of several years. A lot of these changes wouldn't show up on a model this size.

Grelber

Grelber,

What do you need exacte? Please be a little more precise info and i will do my very best to find it.

Greetings

Rudi,
When I was researching the Greeks and Turks for 1897, some sources referred to 1876, 1877,and 1878 models for the field guns, like they were quite different guns. What I am thinking is that Krupp produced a basic gun, like the c64, and the production line ran for 20 years or so. However, minor changes would be made from one production batch or maybe year to the next. Perhaps an extra hook on the carriage to hang something on, or use of a different alloy. This was about the only way I could understand the references to different "models" I encountered.

From the standpoint of building an army for this period, I really don't have a lot of guns to choose from. Bad enough if I have to find a c64, but far worse, if I have to find a specifically 1885 c64 variant.

Not something for you to waste a lot of time on, though.

Grelber

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Here isnwhat you ask for, use the google translate as it is in german ( surpirse! :) )!

On the flats tinsolders fair in bavaria are always two suppliers who are specialized in 25 mm prussian / austrian artillery. The companies are called Engel and Dietz. Neither has a e-shop but they have both all krupp canons in all building patterns in stock.

You should consider visiting this fair is you really want to real stuff.

greetings and have fun

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Thanks, Rudi!
I've spent a delightful couple hours looking at the websites and their links. Very interesting.

Pure luck that I made it to Greece, and I'm unlikely to visit Bavaria, but I'll try to remember the tin soldier fair, just in case.

I haven't used a translation program in several years. They have improved dramatically!

Grelber