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AussieAndy07 Mar 2013 4:45 p.m. PST

Hello
I would be grateful if anyone can advise as to the uniforms worn by Hanoverian generals in the SYW, including saddle cloths. I have looked at all my uniform information materials and I can't find anything.

Apparently British generals wore red with blue facings and gold lace, so I might habe to go with that for the Hanoverians too if no one has any other information. I am guessing red saddlecloths with gold border for the British generals, but please tell me if you have any information on this.

Thank you

clibinarium07 Mar 2013 5:28 p.m. PST

Nigel Billington's blog has some invaluable portraits of Hanoverian officers;

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Only Sproken is a general officer though.

historygamer07 Mar 2013 5:50 p.m. PST

The Sproken portrait is clearly from the 1770s style of clothing, so not much help there.

I read his post about being surprised to see a portrait of a grenadier officer in a mitre cap. Years ago I attended a lecture by a Parcs Canada historian who had slides of a recently acquired yellow facings grenadier officers cap. Upon examining the lining they found a list of names of previous owners, all of which they traced back to the army lists, except what appeared to be the first owner. Upon further research he stated that the name was of a Hanovarian officer – which meant that somehow the cap had jumped from Hanoverian to English service.

My point being – I think you can paint your general along the lines of English generals. There are numerous portaits of the Duke of Cumberland (also Hanovarian nobility), in blue facings and richly embroidered coats of gold lace. They usuaully show his horse and saddlery as well.

AussieAndy07 Mar 2013 6:58 p.m. PST

Thank you clibinarium and historygamer.
Barring anyone else coming up with new revelations, I think it will be red with blue facings for British and Hanoverians (which will make them nicely interchangeable).
I'm no oil painting myself, but you would have to go along way to see an uglier looking bunch of blokes than those in the portraits on Nigel's website. Clearly, German painters didn't see it as their role to flatter their sitters. The corpulent belly in tight waistcoat and narrow shoulders look sported by Sporken seems to pop up pretty often in period portraits. An amply proportioned t shirt might have been more flattering.
Thank you again

Cardinal Hawkwood07 Mar 2013 8:30 p.m. PST

In regimentals, sort of , with sashes around the waist rather than off the shoulder.Black velevet breeches are common, cumberland is routinely depicted in a buff waistcoat with gold lace whether that was uniform thing or the waitcoat he wore for his stting is moot…otherwise a in regimentals, as is Gramby(blues) and Hanoverians would be in their regimentals with, as I said , sash around the waist as a distinction.for good measure Prussians wore i regimentals with diced feather hat plumage as a distinction..which is the unboform worn by Pz Ferdinand and most probably Hessian and Brunswick general officers.
your plans for interchanging are torpedoed right from the start by the fact that British generals wear the crimson sash while Hanoverians wear the yellow.
best one can do given the fact maufactureres don't always know that much
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Cardinal Hawkwood07 Mar 2013 8:47 p.m. PST

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Cardinal Hawkwood07 Mar 2013 9:19 p.m. PST

The blue with red facings gold lace is foot guards' regimentals.

spontoon07 Mar 2013 9:34 p.m. PST

Since most Generals were Guards officers ,either foot or horse; it became the General Officer's uniform by default. A lot of Royal regiments wore blue with gold, too. Some in blue with silver. However, I'm sure you could paint generals and staff in pretty much any colour facings. Especially brigadiers, which was an appointment not a rank at the time. Plus, they had a lot of personal leeway; like Wolfe's plain red campaign coat.

Cardinal Hawkwood07 Mar 2013 11:52 p.m. PST

von Sporken surely wore his regimentals..Granby wore the blues regimental coat, though there is some thought he wore a buff waistcoat..his orderly was a Swiss NCO from the Hessian hussars as I remember.

AussieAndy11 Mar 2013 6:17 p.m. PST

Thank you for your contributions. Much appreciated.

historygamer15 Mar 2013 8:37 a.m. PST

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