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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP16 Feb 2013 12:51 p.m. PST

Reading this interesting link with suicide japanese planes, boats, etc miniatures took my atention this figure…

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Are there any book about this suicide divers?
They were successfull in their task?

Thanks in advance for your guidance.

Amicalement
Armand

Silent Pool16 Feb 2013 2:27 p.m. PST

I don't know so much about suicide divers but I understand the Soviet army asked for suicide dog volunteers to go explode underneath German tanks in WW2. So I guess anything is possible.

Mako1116 Feb 2013 2:44 p.m. PST

I've read about them, and seem to recall they were planned for use in the Japanese Home Islands Defense.

Not sure if any were present, or used in Okinawa, but given the heavy losses of landing craft and landing ships, I guess it is possible some were present and effective.

I doubt any would have survived the blast from their pole tipped mines, but if they were lucky enough to have done that, they would probably have been crushed by the sinking vessel falling on top of them.

There is a book called something like German and Japanese Secret Weapons of WWII. It is very interesting, and the first place I saw references to these.

Suicide boats were used by the Japanese at Okinawa, apparently.

They also used suicide minisubs at Pearl Harbor, and in Australia. Most at Pearl were unsuccessful, but it believed that one minisub crew did launch a torpedo at one of the battleships in the harbor, during that attack. There was a documentary on either the History Channel, or Discovery, about that, and they found the sunken minisub in one of the estuaries feeding into the harbor.

Supposedly, it was found, and used for testing during the war, by the US Navy.

The attack in Australia achieved a few successes as well.

Similarly, the Italians and the British used minisubs to good effect on a number of occasions, against heavy warships in port.

Charlie 1216 Feb 2013 5:49 p.m. PST

Mako- The 2 man minisubs used in the early war were not suicide subs. Those were meant to be recovered by their mother sub. The Kaitens (introduced in 1944) were true suicide subs.

As for the rather fantastic model: No such project was ever deployed. The Japanese did plan for suicide swimmers, but thats all. As for the landing craft losses at Iwo and Okinawa, those were from the usual causes.

Happy Little Trees16 Feb 2013 10:13 p.m. PST

Soviet Army--volunteers???????????????

Mako1116 Feb 2013 11:14 p.m. PST

True, but given their loss rates, I'd say they might qualify for the title.

bsrlee17 Feb 2013 12:34 a.m. PST

The model is not too accurate as the diver is modelled without any ballast – he would just bob about rather than walk along the bottom. It actually takes qiute a bit of ballast, correctly distributed, to make a hard hat diving rig work properly. It is also relatively easy to die in a horrific manner in one.

John D Salt17 Feb 2013 9:13 a.m. PST

coastal2 wrote:


As for the rather fantastic model: No such project was ever deployed. The Japanese did plan for suicide swimmers, but thats all.

Are you quite sure? I seem to recall seeing a diagram and explanation of "creeping dragon" divers on exactly these lines, as well as sub-surface shelters to protect them from dropshorts in the preparatory bombardment, in O'Neill's "Suicide Squads". I'll have to see if I can find it when I get home.

One shoudn't reject WW2 Japanese military schemes based merely on common sense, y'know.

All the best,

John.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP17 Feb 2013 11:43 a.m. PST

Many thanks for your guidance boys!.

Amicalement
Armand

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