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Personal logo Chalfant Supporting Member of TMP22 Jan 2013 7:11 p.m. PST


Our club participated in a 20mm game of Seek Out, Close With, and Destroy… pitting mixed NATO forces against Soviets in the fictional town of Brezeln mit Senf…


Of course, one of the local gamers asked if a fictional battle that would have happened nearly 30 years ago, was still considered modern… I say hell yeah it is!

Thanks for looking.


Doctor Merkury Inactive Member22 Jan 2013 7:49 p.m. PST

Looks like a fun game and a LOT of tanks.

Very cool,

Pizzagrenadier22 Jan 2013 8:43 p.m. PST

So many rockets…

John Leahy23 Jan 2013 12:25 a.m. PST

Great battle report! I have been slowly collecting and painting up stuff for Cold War what ifs in 1/72-20mm. It didn't dawn on me to take a close look at Seek out, Close with and Destroy. Gonna dig out my copy and read through it.

thumbs up



nickinsomerset23 Jan 2013 9:30 a.m. PST

Is there an idiots guide to the rules anywhere? Are they 1:1?

Tally Ho!

John Leahy23 Jan 2013 11:59 a.m. PST

Yes, they are 1:1.

Personal logo Chalfant Supporting Member of TMP23 Jan 2013 12:02 p.m. PST

Don't know about the idiots guide, but they are 1:1. I tend to base my small infantry together for ease of movement… but its a real pain to track casualties, so I have stopped doing it (its not in the rules how you need to base units… but platoons are organized along correct TO&E, you don't just throw models on the table).

My attempt at an idiots guide…

Simple stuff, you roll for initiative, then alternate activations… however, in the moderns, you have command points that you spend on the activations… further away some units are, the higher the cost to get them to do things. Ranges are fairly long (while an FAL shoots 30" short, it shoots 60" long…. a GPMG in HMG mode shoots 75" short and 150" long). ATGMs might be able to fire 400", or more. Combat is roll to hit, roll to wound, target rolls to pass morale. Armor is roll to acquire (more modern armor may acquire automatically) roll to hit, roll for location, roll to penetrate, roll for result. Its a lot of rolls, but everyone hangs on the rolls after a successful hit :)


nickinsomerset23 Jan 2013 1:37 p.m. PST


I have a small project on the go and always looking for a set of rules 1:1



Now looking where to buy a set

Tally Ho!

Sparker Inactive Member23 Jan 2013 2:13 p.m. PST

Very enjoyable!

Milan team in a building – I hope they opened the windows!

Personal logo Chalfant Supporting Member of TMP23 Jan 2013 5:58 p.m. PST

Ha! I figured they were on the roof, but they never had a shot the entire game anyway. It was a good position for them (the British), in case something Soviet raced around the flank.

edit: now that I think about it, they may have moved into a building with a peaked roof…. not likely to work too well for shooting a Milan from. Hmmm…. caught cheating again!

The opposing infantry Saggers deployed into a wood line, and launched, but failed to hit their Chieftain targets.


Personal logo Chalfant Supporting Member of TMP23 Jan 2013 6:23 p.m. PST

Nick, nice bunch of kit you have there. The T-64s are a good foil to the Chieftains.

Its funny, that you seem to be building German M48s to support your British…. I ended up with 3 M48s ( 2 w/ 90mm, 1 w/ 105mm no copula) from different purchases… seemed my only choices were to start an Israeli force, or employ them as German armor. Mine are beat up, though, so don't look quite right.


nickinsomerset24 Jan 2013 2:43 a.m. PST

S&S do the T-64 which is what we faced in BAOR in the 80s, until the arrival of T-80. The only T-72 opposite us belonged to the NVA.

We had support from a German Reservist unit equipped with M-48 on Exercise Certain Strike in 86, together with BO-105s so a good excuse to buy the kits!

Tally Ho!

Personal logo Chalfant Supporting Member of TMP24 Jan 2013 5:12 a.m. PST

I like that M-48 story. An homage to comrades-in-arms :)

My T-72s are painted "generic." I've thought of putting DDR markings on them, though I have no NVA infantry to go with them. I have been tempted by the Elheim Germans (West and East). We'll see.


nickinsomerset24 Jan 2013 8:27 a.m. PST

And indeed it was impressive to be stood on the side of a track in a forest with a cup of tea and a fag as the M-48 Bn rumbled past a few feet away!

Tally Ho!

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