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Personal logo Field Marshal Supporting Member of TMP06 Jan 2013 10:58 p.m. PST

Having had this broached in another topic I am interested to know how to model the army of Sertorius against Pompey?
The Legionaries are pretty straight forward, using late republican romans.
Would the Lusitanian Caetratii look similar t the old fashioned spanish of Hannibals army? If not what figures to use?
The Celtiberians? Use Celts?

any help would be appreciated.

FM

Personal logo Swampster Supporting Member of TMP07 Jan 2013 1:04 a.m. PST

Round shields – about 2' across according to Strabo so perhaps larger than most caetrati figures use.
Some in mail and/or metal helmets. Rest in sinew helmets. Strabo also mentions linen armour which has been interpreted as padded stuff rather than Greek style.
No trousers IIRC.

Caliban Supporting Member of TMP07 Jan 2013 2:52 a.m. PST

As Swampster says, probably larger style round shields for the bulk of the infantry, and maybe for the cavalry as well, although don't rule out the more traditional look with the larger scutum types for the foot. Celtiberians should look like a cross between Celts and Iberians (!), but exactly what that means is an open question. These 1st Corps guys are nice:

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They have Spanish-style tunics, but with cloaks and a mixture of helmets. I haven't seen these in person, but their figures tend to be a bit smaller than the usual nowadays, although very finely detailed.

Crusader Miniatures Celtiberians:

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Again, I don't have any of these, but going by their other figures they are probably larger 25mm types.

Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about them looking like the same guys who fought for Hannibal; that way you could use them for both periods. That's what I'm planning to do anyway…

Personal logo Mexican Jack Squint Sponsoring Member of TMP Fezian07 Jan 2013 9:19 a.m. PST

The classical era sources are very limited. Take a look at Caesar's 'Spanish War' (especially the section on the battle of Llerda) and Strabo's survey of the entire known world.

Here's what he has to say about Lusitanians:

" --- the Lusitanians, it is said, are given to laying ambush, given to spying out, are quick, nimble, and good at deploying troops. They have a small shield two feet in diameter, concave in front, and suspended from the shoulder by means of thongs (for it has neither arm-rings nor handles). Besides these shields they have a dirk or a butcher's-knife. Most of them wear linen cuirasses; a few wear chain-wrought cuirasses and helmets with three crests, but the rest wear helmets made of sinews. The foot-soldiers wear greaves also, and each soldier has several javelins; and some also make use of spears, and the spears have bronze heads.

All the men dress in black, for the most part in coarse cloaks, in which they sleep, on their beds of litter.

All the mountaineers --- let their hair stream down in thick masses after the manner of women, though before going into battle they bind their hair about the forehead.

The Iberians were once, virtually all of them, peltasts, and wore light armour on account of their brigand life (as I said of the Lusitanians), using javelin, sling, and dirk."

I'd use figures listed as 'Spanish' generally, with some Celtiberians added in. No scutarii, but find some larger rimless round shields to mix into the infantry formations (I used some meant for Foundry Arthurians).

You could also make the legionaries different by having a proportion (who knows how many?) without mail, and equipped with a handful of havelins rather than pila. Read the account of Llerda to see the problem's Caesar's force had with an army of (Pompeian)Romans who had long been in Spain and adopted local methods.

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