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06 Jan 2013 10:19 a.m. PST
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DanLewisTN Inactive Member07 Jan 2013 4:06 p.m. PST

Com 2D. I'll get em added. Thanks

Chris PzTp Inactive Member05 Mar 2013 9:45 a.m. PST

Here are the stats for Panzertruppe:

Published: 2006
BGG Votes: 2
BGG Ave rating: 7.2
Publisher: LMW Works
Out of print: No
Forum: Y
Yahoo group members: 191
Yahoo group Posts: 51 (Nov 2011 – Oct 2012)
No. of rules on Yahoo group: 1
Type: Armor Skirmish

Thank you!

Vulture23 Mar 2013 7:07 a.m. PST

HI Dan

You need add in the following category: Armor/Vehicle Scale 1:1; Infantry 1 stand=1 squad

Title: Follow Me
Published: 1979
Publisher: Historical Research Publications Ltd
Out of Print: Yes
Type: Infantry and Tank skirmish.

IMHO it has one of the best set of Tank rules published to date.

Kind regards


(My Blog: link )

maverickv Inactive Member04 Apr 2013 1:12 a.m. PST


Operation Squad is an infantry skirmish (1:1 squad level)

With the Vehicles expansion you can use vehicles too.


Ark3nubis04 Apr 2013 3:02 a.m. PST


this is a really great compilation, well done. I am very limited on my knowledge of range of games so this REALLY helps, nicely bud.

If I may therefore suggest the following;
1. That under 'Type' it is described more as Skirmish (for the likes of Operation squad), Platoon (for the likes of Nuts! and Bolt Action), Company (for the likes of Flames of War) etc etc.

2. Typical scale for the game (ie Bolt Action is typically played at 28mm 1:56th scale, 1 figue is one soldier, 1 vehicle is one vehicle etc) FoW is typically 15 mm, but could be played down to 6mm or whatever and up to 28mm scale)

3. Then within that, the typical ranges of scales that can/could be played with each system (so again Bolt Action can be played with down between 15mm, BKC could be played with 15mm multi-based down to 6mm scale)

4. No of models in a typical game (Platoon games would be a platoon of around 25 models, through to 100 figures as a typical ceiling)

I suppose its trying to answer the questions that would inevitably arise from anyone reading the list. IE; I don't know about Panzer Abteilung, (I appreciate you haven't as yet managed to fill in all of the rows) so once you have stated that a Unit = Battalion or whatever, what would a tpical game 'look like', 'feel like' etc.

Great work though, quite an under taking. I'd also suggest either not focussing on the Yahoo groups, or paste a link to all related websites. And yes please include Memoir '44 and Combat Action Command in the list too! Great work…


thomalley04 Apr 2013 7:45 a.m. PST

This is a problem with game descriptions. You say FoW is Company. But to me, and most of my friends, that would mean a stand or vehicle equals a company. That would put FoW in the category of Not Quit Mechanized" or "Panzer Korps". Same idea with "Bolt Action", platoon to us means a stand is a platoon as in Tac:WWII, Spearhead or Look Sarge.

Ark3nubis04 Apr 2013 8:53 a.m. PST

I agree, and by that same reasoning, a Skirmish sized game to me means a Necromunda sized (7-12 figures) a side, not a Bolt Action sized game (Platoon sized) that has minimum 1:1 scale models of 2 squads (approx 20 men/models) and an HQ (of at least 1-2 men/models).

Surley it should relate to the total size of the force being represented on the table, not what one stand of models within that game is representing. Certain allowance could be made for games such as Battlegroup Kursk that are flexible enough to cover from a Platoon up to Battalion (I'm guessing a bit here on BK's max level, but you get the idea)

Possibly a foreword note outlining what is meant by the author when he writes Skirmish/Squad, Platoon, Company, Battalion etc.

Chris PzTp Inactive Member18 Apr 2013 7:12 p.m. PST

Alas, it appears that this effort has been orphaned already.

Ark3nubis18 Apr 2013 8:24 p.m. PST

I don't think so Chris, I think a couple of notes of clarity as to the author's/compiler's thoughts and approach mixed with sone additional columns for extra info and the list will be there. It's s great effort and will really help someone with experience in some games to 'jump thegall' to other systems and scales.

freewargamesrules19 Apr 2013 8:55 a.m. PST

Your missing Take Cover


Good review of the game here by Shaun

Chris PzTp Inactive Member23 Apr 2013 1:57 p.m. PST

Good point Ark3nubis, but we haven't heard fro the author since Jan 8.

DanLewisTN Inactive Member04 Sep 2016 7:40 a.m. PST


DanLewisTN Inactive Member04 Sep 2016 7:43 a.m. PST

I've updated the listing of rules for 2016. Added a lot of rules sets, included more information such as author name, size miniatures, supplements, etc. I've also made various correction where found. I removed the Yahoo Forum information.

It's a pretty definitive list of rule sets for miniatures …without crossing the line into actual 'board games'.

If you have any information you want me to post edit or share, let me know.


williamb04 Sep 2016 8:21 a.m. PST

Thanks for updating the listings.

PanzerKorps has about a dozen supplements plus scenario books based on what I saw on their lulu store pages. Units are battalions composed of company level stands.

Blitzkieg Commander is one stand = one platoon though many players use house rules of one vehicle = 5

Lance Flint04 Sep 2016 9:58 a.m. PST

Hi Dan,
Great work, and, maybe sadly or not it's quite interesting!
Could you include Krieg ohne Hass, from KoH games, large scale, Div games plus, with a Yahoo forum, published in 2012?
It seems we are not short of choice these days!
The author, Lance.

DanLewisTN Inactive Member04 Sep 2016 10:28 a.m. PST

I will be happy to update and add Kreig Ohne Hass

I will edit Panzer Korps

VVV reply Inactive Member05 Sep 2016 4:12 a.m. PST

Got another one for you.

Action all Fronts
Published: 2014
Out of print: No
Publisher: Veni Vidi Vici
Author: Justin Taylor
Rules note: WW2 land
Type: Skirmish
Primary scale: 1/56
Primary scale: 28mm
Alternate scale: 15mm
Forum: Yes

Mobius05 Sep 2016 4:34 a.m. PST

Dan, it might be good if a live link to a website on the game was provided.

Also, some corrections.
Panzer War: 1979
War Game Rules:1973

DanLewisTN Inactive Member05 Sep 2016 8:03 a.m. PST

Thanks Mobius,

I made the corrections…

Yes, a link to the web site would be good…although many links don't survive long. I may start doing that.

DanLewisTN Inactive Member05 Sep 2016 8:04 a.m. PST

@ Lance Flint Added!
@ VVV Reply – Added!

DanLewisTN Inactive Member05 Sep 2016 8:16 a.m. PST

Here is the new link. I haven't figure out in Google Sheets how to copy over an existing file when I upload, so I have to have a new link.

UshCha Supporting Member of TMP05 Sep 2016 12:34 p.m. PST

Title Maneouver Group

Publisher Wargames Vault

Out of Print? No
Forum No

Type Simulation – WW2 to Ultra Modern 1:1 vehicals 1 stand=team Platoon to Company level.

andresf Inactive Member05 Sep 2016 3:49 p.m. PST

Crossfire belongs in the "Armor/vehicle is 1:1, infantry 1 stand = 1 squad" section, not in the "Infantry skirmish" section.

DanLewisTN Inactive Member05 Sep 2016 5:07 p.m. PST

My impression was that crossfire was focused on infantry combat

NKL AeroTom05 Sep 2016 5:16 p.m. PST

You could add in Ostfront, we're relatively new to the online world but well play-tested:

Vehicle 1:1, infantry 1 stand = 1 squad
Title: Ostfront
Published 2016
Available: Yes
Publisher: Ostfront Publishing / wargame Vault
Author: Tom Jensen
Core Rules Note: 6 Supplements
BGG no of votes: n/a
BGG av rating: n/a
Type: Combined arms
Primary Scale ratio: 1/72, 1/100
Primary Scale mm: 20mm, 15mm
Alternative scale: 10mm, 6mm
Forum: no

andresf Inactive Member05 Sep 2016 6:33 p.m. PST


Indeed, Crossfire is company-level infantry combat, optionally with a few supporting vehicles per side. However, Crossfire is definitely not an "infantry skirmish" game (I'd say something like "Disposable Heroes: Point Blank" is skirmish). Crossfire does not track individual casualties… in fact, it tracks almost *nothing*, which you must admit would be odd if it was a skirmish game! Individual stands represent squads of about 10 soldiers, which can go from pinned or suppressed to rallied a theoretically infinite number of times. The smallest meaningful unit of maneuver is the platoon, not the individual soldier (a platoon is typically 3 stands of infantry, 1 officer and possibly some heavy weapons squad). There is no ground or time scale at all, and practically no measurements. Way too abstract to be considered skirmish :)

DanLewisTN Inactive Member06 Sep 2016 3:05 p.m. PST

I will move crossfire. Do you think Iabsm should be under infantry skirmish?

williamb07 Sep 2016 5:49 a.m. PST

A lot of the rules have a Yahoo group where the rules are discussed. These include Megablitz, PanzerKoprs, Jagdpanzer, kampfgruppe, Kampgruppe Commander, Division Commander, Assault Gun, Panzer Abteiung, fist full of tows, crossfire, spearhead and others
Command Decision Test of Battle does have a forum at test of battle games.
Nuts has a forum at two hour wargames
GHQ has a forum where Micro Armor the game is sometimes discussed.

DanLewisTN Inactive Member08 Sep 2016 3:49 p.m. PST

I will add Ostfront and make note of the forum information you all provided. THanks

NKL AeroTom21 Sep 2016 3:49 a.m. PST

Ostfront has a proper forum now too :)

John Secker Supporting Member of TMP02 Oct 2016 3:32 p.m. PST

Dan, I think IABSM should definitely be moved "up" to the "Armour 1:1, 1 Stand = 1 Squad" level. Although you do track individual casualties they are simply a way of scoring the reduction in effectiveness of the squads, which are the smallest units in the game. I play it in 6mm with a stand per squad, and keep track of casualties with mini dice. You can't move individual soldiers around on their own (apart from the "Big Men" who provide the command mechanism) and all shooting is also done by the squad, or single AFVs or guns. You can easily play a company or more per side. So to me it's not a skirmish game, it fits perfectly into the next category up.

UshCha Supporting Member of TMP03 Oct 2016 1:57 a.m. PST

Can somebody help me find the Boargame geek rating for the Maneouver Group game. I can't find one and I did not send one in I checled my enry post, but I may have missed it looking through the lists.

FlyXwire04 Oct 2016 3:30 p.m. PST

Here you go UshCha:

UshCha Supporting Member of TMP05 Oct 2016 4:26 a.m. PST

Thanks I was not aware of that. Can I get a picture up or is that a bending of the rules as I am the Author.

NKL AeroTom06 Oct 2016 2:54 a.m. PST

UshCha you can submit pictures on boardgame geek and then "categorize" it to be the "BoxFront" And you can do that all as publisher, it just takes a day or two between uploading, submitting for main image, and getting the image up. Admins need to approve each step.

Stuart at Great Escape Games Sponsoring Member of TMP Inactive Member09 Oct 2016 1:33 p.m. PST

Here's another:

Iron Cross link
Published: 2015
Out of print: No
Publisher: Great Escape Games
Author: Mark Mainwaring, Stuart McCorquodale, Darryl Morton
Rules note: WW2 land
Type: Company to Battalion
Primary scale: 28mm, 20mm or 15mm
Forum: Yes

Yellow Admiral07 Nov 2016 10:52 p.m. PST
Russ Lockwood10 Nov 2016 2:36 p.m. PST

A new skirmish 1:1 scale rules set was published just in time for Fall In:

Skirmish Action
Published: 2016
Out of print: No
Publisher: On Military Matters
Author: Lee Sowers
Rules note: Army Lists cover all major armies
Type: Skirmish
Primary scale: 1/56
Primary scale: 28mm
Alternate scale: 15mm
Forum: Website and Facebook

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