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Forgotten Glorious Sponsoring Member of TMP04 Jan 2013 4:53 a.m. PST

Hi Gentlemen

Another question for prussian specialists! I know Brauer and Jouineau pictured the sapper with a large white apron but this glorious soldier lacks a musket and a cartridge box.

Was it a regulation ? Did they only wear their sword and axe as weapons ? The apron is very different from the one used during the 7YW: when did it change ?

Thanks by advance for your answers

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Forgotten Glorious Sponsoring Member of TMP07 Jan 2013 4:45 a.m. PST

I ask my question again if someone has the information: we are currently working on this type of figure and I would be embarassed to make a mistake in painting it the wrong color.

Thanks

Cheers

Franck

MarbotsChasseurs07 Jan 2013 6:31 a.m. PST

According to Scott Bowdens Napoleons Apogee on page 344 he has a illustration that shows a sapper from IR 58 with a half apron and an axe on his right shoulder. No cross belt for ammo or a musket. However, I have seen pictures from hessian sappers who have their musket slung around this shoulder which seems to be how many nations had their sappers carry this musket or musketoons.

Michael

Oliver Schmidt07 Jan 2013 7:55 a.m. PST

In the Prussian army, the Zimmermann (carpenter, plural: Zimmerleute) had been abolished in 1788, but was reintroduced in 1796. From that year, until 1808, there were 2 of them in every company of musketeers or grenadiers, but they were always on leave, except, obviously, on mobilisation.

The had the regimental uniform (in 1805, in regiment Chlebowsky [IR 60] all had hats, also those in the grenadier companies), axes of a better pattern than before 1788, aprons. Sabers, but no muskets, nor cartride pouches.

An expertise of 1796 on the aprons proposed them to be high up in the front, and about one hand's width below the knees. On 23 October 1796, the king approved this.

Source: Constantin KLING, Infanterie, pp. 160, 168 f. (THE unsurpassed author about the Prussian army before 1806)

I don't know any contemporary image of a regimental carpenter between 1796 and 1807 (which doesn't mean there isn't any).

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Forgotten Glorious Sponsoring Member of TMP07 Jan 2013 9:44 a.m. PST

Thank you very much Gentlemen for all these informations

Cheers

Franck

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