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TwinCities Gamer Supporting Member of TMP29 Dec 2012 8:40 a.m. PST

I've got a Later Hungarian Army under way in Essex 15mm. I decided to have some fun at the finish line with my clipeati and armati. Can you spot the fake?

I've got loads of Szeklers & knights to follow, along with links to Hungarian websites for medieval heraldry. If you're interested, you can follow along here: link

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP29 Dec 2012 8:42 a.m. PST

Gondor was a famous trading city on medieval Hungary, so it can't be the one on the far left…

BTW, I am impressed with the detailed shields in 15mm.
Having fun while painting is what it's all about. Otherwise, why bother?

Roderick Robertson Supporting Member of TMP Fezian29 Dec 2012 9:42 a.m. PST

Nope it is the one on the left – that's not a tree, that's an Elder thingy from Lovecraft Aiiieeeeee!

raylev3 Supporting Member of TMP29 Dec 2012 11:39 a.m. PST

or is it the Byzantine (orthodox) cross in the middle? I believe Hungarians were Catholic.

bluewillow29 Dec 2012 12:27 p.m. PST

Azure, three Argent swans rising avant over a coronet Or

my wild guess

Personal logo Swampster Supporting Member of TMP29 Dec 2012 1:07 p.m. PST

"or is it the Byzantine (orthodox) cross in the middle? I believe Hungarians were Catholic."

The cross fine for Hungary and is still one of the symbols of the state. Once thought to have been given to King Stephen by the Pope, it is now thought to have come from Constantinople in the time of Bela III who was raised there. The same cross is found on the Slovak flag – though its use there may well pre-date Hungary's.

Coelacanth29 Dec 2012 1:23 p.m. PST

Second from right, is that a Frisbee lodged in a tree?

Mako1129 Dec 2012 2:34 p.m. PST

It's the domino designs, of course, and/or the AFLAC duck.

kreoseus229 Dec 2012 3:03 p.m. PST

The middle one, the yellow sheep rampant.

Augustus29 Dec 2012 3:26 p.m. PST

Hah! Trick question! They are all fake! He's given everything away! You can tell by the way he words the question.

Obviously they are meant to fight a land war in Asia. A classic blunder!

Which again, we must assume they are not going to do as only fools do and they do not look like fools.

So the answer is quite simple! It is the man in the second rank, far left!

:)

Personal logo Jamesonsafari Sponsoring Member of TMP29 Dec 2012 3:36 p.m. PST

7th from left. Yellow dragon thingy.

TwinCities Gamer Supporting Member of TMP29 Dec 2012 4:35 p.m. PST

Lol! The weirdest is a severed eagle's leg with an arrow through it. There is a lot Hungarian heraldry with arrow pierced creatures.

The very weirdest I found was a male "organ" with a sledgehammer coming down to deliver a coup de grace on it. I honestly don't know how one could ride into battle with THAT as their icon. I'm guessing that when the Ottomans swallowed up Hungary, they weren't laughing about that one.

For lack of a black and white shield, I lifted from Tolkien.

TGerritsen Supporting Member of TMP30 Dec 2012 6:43 a.m. PST

Is it the English rose 5th from the right?

TwinCities Gamer Supporting Member of TMP30 Dec 2012 7:59 a.m. PST

I was at a friend's house over Christmas and admiring his wall of Irish heraldry. I pointed out each of the Irish icons that I'd seen in Hungarian heraldry. There's a lot of overlap in icons between countries.

I found the flower icon last year and this when looking for Hungarian icons that I could paint in 15mm. Here are my 2 favorite sites for Hungarian + Szekler heraldry:

link

szekeres.ro

uruk hai Inactive Member30 Dec 2012 8:40 p.m. PST

6th from the left, Free French cross……

TwinCities Gamer Supporting Member of TMP31 Dec 2012 7:46 a.m. PST

How could an Uruk Hai not spot the White Tree of Gondor? Have you been hitting the Longbottom Leaf?

The Lorraine cross appeared as part of the Hungarian Coat of Arms in the 12th Century.


I like this one as it's a knight from the Black Army holding the cross.

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