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Archeopteryx Inactive Member12 Dec 2012 7:26 a.m. PST

stupid question, but wondered if these were issues from the outset, or came along later – and if so when? Am building a 9th Panzer historical force fro period winter 41 to winter 42… muchas gracias

BrianW12 Dec 2012 7:53 a.m. PST

Apparently there is some argument over this. The most commonly cited website says they were introduced in 1940. However, I found a discussion over at the Axis History Forum
that has the following citation:

"You should look at the reliable authors Doyle and Jentz. In Panzer Tracts No.15-2 they state "that ONE Entwicklungsstueck (development piece) was delivered in May 1941. Mass production had delivered 80 by July/August 1941"."

Doyle and Jentz seem to be pretty good on this sort of thing, so I would probably go with that. Others will probably be along to dispute this, but it does seem that your force might have some.

Archeopteryx Inactive Member12 Dec 2012 7:53 a.m. PST

That should say shutzen company platoon commanders

Archeopteryx Inactive Member12 Dec 2012 7:54 a.m. PST

Brilliant thanks… I'll take a look at AHF too

Gary Kennedy Inactive Member12 Dec 2012 7:55 a.m. PST

Good question, think it's come up before on TMP and someone may have found a definitive answer. The first time they appear on the authorised organisation tables is Nov 1941, which should cover your winter 1941 onwards timeframe.


Archeopteryx Inactive Member12 Dec 2012 7:59 a.m. PST

Thanks again Gary. looking at the divisional history they did not refit until after Barbarossa- spring 42, so probably had them for Stalingrad but not in 41 – maybe?

donlowry12 Dec 2012 11:37 a.m. PST

Keeping in mind that there was only 1 armored AFV company (3-4 platoons) per panzer division in '41, 80 of them is quite a few.

Archeopteryx Inactive Member12 Dec 2012 1:13 p.m. PST

yes that makes sense, if around 20 panzer divs, 80 would give each platoon 1 in time for Barbarossa…

Rod I Robertson Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member12 Dec 2012 3:04 p.m. PST

Have a look here:
I think they existed as informal field modifications before becoming production models.
Rod Robertson

brucka12 Dec 2012 9:06 p.m. PST

Took a long time to save all those 'Green Shield' stamps.

Here claims 1940

Martin Rapier13 Dec 2012 3:24 a.m. PST

I love the idea that 80 vehicles is 'mass production'.

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