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WaltOHara05 Dec 2012 10:38 a.m. PST

I stumbled upon some very interesting "modern" versions of the Green Army Men of my youth on the interwebs recently. Not sure if its been discussed here already. Check out "PTSD Army men" here: link

Not sure if these are real or the creator was going for some level of social commentary. Maybe they're just 3D models.

Walt

Personal logo Who asked this joker Supporting Member of TMP05 Dec 2012 11:00 a.m. PST

Social commentary to be sure. I wrestle with the idea of having my son play with modern soldiers. I have less of a problem with him playing with more archaic soldiers.

VCarter05 Dec 2012 12:40 p.m. PST

"War is not a game – don't buy war toys". I have a few buttons like that.

morrigan05 Dec 2012 1:05 p.m. PST

Guess I do get the wrong idea. I think their creator sucks.

epturner Supporting Member of TMP05 Dec 2012 1:16 p.m. PST

What morrigan said.

Eric

WaltOHara05 Dec 2012 1:17 p.m. PST

Because of the content? Or the quality of the item? I'm not sure if we're looking at rendered 3D models or actual plastic here.

Personal logo Tango 2 3 Ditto Supporting Member of TMP05 Dec 2012 1:50 p.m. PST

That's actually a very interesting set following the links, they are on sale for 2000 pounds:

Set for sale

And before that, they say:

Casualties of War Box Sets

Small but powerful. Our tiny sculptures are generating a lot of interest in the USA and Canada from vetran organisations who have contacted us to voice their suport for the sentiment of the artwork. Limited edtions of the box sets are now available to buy fron our shop.

see Description with link leading to the price

--
Tim

WaltOHara05 Dec 2012 2:22 p.m. PST

Thanks for the link, Ditto, I got this as a passalong and didn't know where it originated from.

morrigan05 Dec 2012 2:31 p.m. PST

Because of the content. I don't care how nicely made they are.

CPBelt05 Dec 2012 2:43 p.m. PST

As a decent human being with morals and ethics, I find these figures revolting and would think most of society would agree. Apparently, the sculptor lacks the same morals and ethics that we value. I feel sad for him.

Dn Jackson05 Dec 2012 4:11 p.m. PST

Having gone through a bout of PTSD and having friends who have done so as well, I could find figures poking fun at the condition amusing. These are not. Typical of the anti-war, peace at any cost, left. I find them revolting.

Deadmen tell lies Inactive Member05 Dec 2012 4:12 p.m. PST

Ya! I am with CP on this, they are in bad taste.

Shagnasty05 Dec 2012 4:21 p.m. PST

Yet another vote for revolting and appalling.

MAD MIKE05 Dec 2012 6:08 p.m. PST

Poor taste-certainly, but as an art project designed to draw attention to the suffering of combat veterans with PTSD definitely an effective use of familiar images in a thought provoking way. Seems these are universally condemned here, but do a search in the message boards for "casualty markers" as I have just done to see how nicely painted dead and wounded soldiers are quite acceptable for playing games.

SECURITY MINISTER CRITTER Inactive Member05 Dec 2012 6:43 p.m. PST

I don't like 'em either.

skinkmasterreturns05 Dec 2012 6:56 p.m. PST

A long time ago I was a victim in a robbery when I worked for Mcdonalds.A guy jumped out of the bushes at 5am and held me at gunpoint.A week later,I was going in to work at 6am.I got out of my car,and as I did so,a customer got out of his car.I ran a half mile down the street.So I did suffer from a mild case of PTSD.While I did serve in the military,I never saw anything like combat.So,having experienced a mild case of it,I cannot imagine what the suffering is like for combat veterans with it.I find these figures to be very disrespectful.

Personal logo Sgt Slag Supporting Member of TMP05 Dec 2012 6:57 p.m. PST

A guy holding a rifle to the underside of his chin, obviously about to blow his head off? I don't find this redeemable in any way, shape, or form -- art designed to evoke such images, and situations, is revolting, to me. They appear to be profiting from the suffering of US soldiers. I find that disgusting, to put it politely. First Amendment to the US Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, but I also have the freedom to share my vomitous reaction to it. I sincerely hope they get a great deal of negative feedback, and zero sales.

With regards to casualty markers, that is an entirely different matter. Casualty markers are not designed to show anything, but the wounded on a battlefield. This is profiteering from the suffering of others. By the way, the majority of gamers that I know, and have played with over the past 20+ years, even at conventions, do not bother with casualty markers. They really do not add to the game, or simulation, of war. We all know the horrors, but we are not attempting to portray that aspect. Anyone who did so, at great length, would impress me as someone who enjoyed an aspect that I would not -- I doubt I would finish the game. YMMV.

WeeSparky05 Dec 2012 8:01 p.m. PST

Not enough poses and they are the wrong scale. The GW pricing doesn't help either.

WaltOHara05 Dec 2012 8:07 p.m. PST

Fair points. I don't think it's particularly tasteful either, but I do think the artist was actually making a point, rather than try to make fun, or disrespect soldiers that come back from war damaged. The little plastic soldiers are "disgusting", perhaps, but let's be brutally honest. The suicide rate in the military is at an all time high. Don't take my word for it, you all know the truth-- I did the coordination for our command for the Army's recent suicide prevention training stand-down and it's staggering. That's MORE distasteful than any plastic army man, in my book. Young men coming back from war damaged and in need of help that a lot of them don't get might be a worse problem than these bits of plastic. I think the creator is trying to make a point about the glamor warfare has for boys .. and it starts early. LIke with plastic army men, and G.I. Joe lunch boxes, and Combat on TV growing up. I played Army with my friends growing up, and we never saw that other side of a war. I think that's what the artist was trying to point out. Is she profiting? I doubt it-- I don't anyone who would pay 2,000 pounds for four plastic soldiers. Anyway… just to close with I apologize if anyone was offended. I was mystified about it, myself.

jpattern2 Supporting Member of TMP05 Dec 2012 8:52 p.m. PST

I think the artist accomplished his or her goal. I also think these were posted here on TMP two or three years ago, to similar comments.

I don't find them offensive, I find them, and the situations they represent, incredibly tragic. I have an uncle (Vietnam) and a neighbor (Iraq) who suffer and suffer is the right word for it from PTSD. They are part of the reason my wife and I give so much to US veterans' groups every year.

jpattern2 Supporting Member of TMP05 Dec 2012 9:11 p.m. PST

Further, I wish I had the money to send a set of these to every politician who ever supported going to war, or voted to fund big, fat defense contracts in their states or districts, and wore yellow-ribbon pins to "support the troops," but then chose not to fund necessary equipment and programs for troops, veterans, and their families.

Hell, yeah, it makes me angry.

trailape Supporting Member of TMP05 Dec 2012 9:38 p.m. PST

I guess they'll call it art.
IMHO they suck.

Fisherking19 Dec 2012 7:11 a.m. PST

Suicide is at an all time high in the military but that begs the question as to whether it's something about military life that's changed or something about our society in general that's changed making those who serve more susceptible to the mental challenges (horrors) of service. I don't know the answer to this but I have my suspicions. Personally I see these pieces as created by a hack artist more interested in shocking and publicity than examination of a theme.

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