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Personal logo Il Granatiere Supporting Member of TMP18 Nov 2012 6:59 a.m. PST

I would like to start a new period, and having in my possession some new boxes of Perry Plastic I was thinking specifically at the "Condottieri" period, so my program is to have in the near future two armies, but I need to decide which: Milanese and Florentine? Venetian? Papal? I will solve this question, but now to fight my painting frenzy I need your help because I decided to have a quick start with the White Company, small, professional, devastating. I need information about any kind of flag they used and about any kind distintive insigna.
Thank for your help
Dino

morrigan18 Nov 2012 9:34 a.m. PST

Could use these I guess

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Personal logo Il Granatiere Supporting Member of TMP18 Nov 2012 11:27 a.m. PST

Thanks morrigan,I did not consider the Saint George Cross…
Thanks again.

Norman D Landings18 Nov 2012 4:47 p.m. PST

N.C. Wyeth painted a – now famous – cover for the U.S. first edition, which featured white surcoats with a red lion rampant.
That same livery has featured on the covers of several subsequent editions.

Wardlaw19 Nov 2012 2:44 a.m. PST

Therer is no record for what the White Company carried. Although they were prdominantly English, there were numerous other nationalities included. Many of them were men-at-arms who were eligible to bear herladic arms, in which case their banners would have displayed their own arms. Hawkwood's arms (for example) were argent, on a chevron sable three escallpp of the first (a white shield with a black chevron on which are three scallop shells in white).

I wouldn't expect there to be a huge amount of uniformity in thier garb and equipement; the Free Companies of the mid to late fourteenth century were a fairly nebulous crew, made up of a number of smaller companies, that were often subcontracted for particular campaigns. Tey might bear a badge based around the arms of their current employers…

Not very helpful, I know.

CeruLucifus19 Nov 2012 7:39 a.m. PST

Did an image search on Google, I believe these are the Wyeth illustrations mentioned by Norman D Landings. I have a copy of Doyle's The White Company that sounds like a reprinting as it has the Wyeth illustrations, though its publication date is newer.

Here's a page about the book that displays all the paintings: link

Below are the images that show the heraldry best:

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Wardlaw19 Nov 2012 4:17 p.m. PST

Hmmm; I would most definitely not use Walter Scott's White Company as a historical source, but the desihns are quite eye catching.

Personal logo Il Granatiere Supporting Member of TMP28 Nov 2012 1:08 p.m. PST

Thanks all for your answers. Wardlaw agreed with you about the lack of uniformity, so surely I will follow your suggestion.
CeruLucifus thank for the inspiring images.

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