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Toyz n the Hood Inactive Member12 Nov 2012 2:07 p.m. PST

Hi guys,

I've spent the weekend working on a blog post about the real world origins of the Primarchs' names. It was meant to be a quick five minutes but became quite an epic task!

Please take a look here: –

I hope you like it!

Personal logo Cardinal Hawkwood Supporting Member of TMP12 Nov 2012 2:13 p.m. PST

I enjoyed it

Jovian1 Inactive Member12 Nov 2012 2:56 p.m. PST

Interesting, and some good points. The GW staff have pilfered from all corners of the world, just as Tolkien did in his works. Only GW also pilfered from other creative works from others, and modified it a bit here and there. It's all fun.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP12 Nov 2012 3:12 p.m. PST

So, it's not just bad Latin.

jpattern212 Nov 2012 4:05 p.m. PST

Good job.

Rapier Miniatures Inactive Member13 Nov 2012 2:38 a.m. PST

Leman Russ, was Russell Mann(sp) who worked their at the time, I think Lionel was as well.

richarDISNEY Inactive Member13 Nov 2012 9:04 a.m. PST

Doc, Sneezy, Dopey, Bashful, Happy, Sleepy and Grumpy?.

Neat blog. Well done.

Legion 413 Nov 2012 10:15 a.m. PST

Very interesting … I've heard some of those explainations before … G/W is nothing if not eclectic on many levels …

ordinarybass13 Nov 2012 12:06 p.m. PST

Very Cool! There's all kinds of interesting references -mostly literary and religious- in 40k.

The homeworld of the Dark Angels was Caliban…

JohnnyPainter Inactive Member13 Nov 2012 12:58 p.m. PST

If you are familiar with the poem "The Dark Angel" and the life of Lionel Johnson. – the whole matter of the chapter and their dark secret becomes quite amusing in a juvenile way.

Also, Lionel was betrayed by Luther. – Fantasy has similar inspiration in it's names too – such as the warrior priest Luther Huss being a mix of Martin Luther and John Huss. The fact that GW pulls from all sorts of influences and mixes them up is sort of what makes it interesting and appealing to me.

CeruLucifus13 Nov 2012 2:38 p.m. PST

I pride myself on my ignorance of the 40K universe. That said, I had one comment.

Lorgar Word Bearers
Logar is one of the provinces of Afghanistan. The name is a combination of Loy (Great) and Ghar (Mountain). This explanation does have a resonance of biblical stories which would be in keeping with the Word Bearers mission.
I'm with you on the biblical resonance but I would have looked elsewhere for the source. I would have assumed Lorgar is a corruption / derivation of Logos. In Greek philosophy this word originally meant rules and order, but evolved to mean the spiritual principle of reason pervading the universe. The documents that became the Christian bible were originally written in Greek by scholars who were familiar with this term. You know the passages written in English as "In the beginning was the Word" etc? The term "Word" is "Logos" in the original Greek. Over time the Bible was translated into Latin (the Vulgate version, for the common people, who spoke Latin not Greek), but Christian philosophers kept using the Greek word Logos to refer to the Word of God. And also the will of God, personified in the universe, and moral law written in human hearts.

So you can follow it from there: Word Bearers = carriers of the Word => their leader's name is based on the word Logos, which means Word.

Legion 414 Nov 2012 8:13 a.m. PST

"The horror … the horror …"

Toyz n the Hood Inactive Member14 Nov 2012 3:29 p.m. PST

Cheers guys! I'm glad you enjoyed it. There's certainly a lot of stuff to be going at.

And I seem to be learning lots more too – I didn't get the Logos – Lorgar connection, that does seem pretty convincing.

freecloud14 Nov 2012 11:59 p.m. PST

I have Word Bearers, I like that Logos connection – makes a lot of sense.

chromedog20 Dec 2012 10:32 p.m. PST

Angron was also the name of a Marvel comics bad guy in the 80s (1982 or 1983).

It appeared in a Captain America/Falcon crossover issue.

Angron was an energy creature (like a jellyfish made of lightning) comes from Earth's far future, where the sun has moved into its red giant phase, and the only life left on the Earth are energy creatures like him. I saw this in early High School (which is how I can narrow down the year) so it's not like GW are even original with it.

Toyz n the Hood Inactive Member21 Dec 2012 2:44 a.m. PST

Oh that's cool! I didn't know that. It seems the guys were quite into their Marvel Comics at that time – Malekith and his Dark Elves were bad guys in the Thor comics in the early eighties.

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