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BlackSmoke05 Nov 2012 7:51 a.m. PST

I normally prime my figures black, but I read a couple of posts saying that grey with a black ink wash was good. So, I thought I'd give it a try with some 10mm SYW Austrians, as well as a unit in black for comparison and post the results on my blog.

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Personally, I still prefer black. I think at this scale it gives a slightly crisper end result, although the grey is by no means unsatisfactory.

What's your preference?

45thdiv05 Nov 2012 8:02 a.m. PST

Black prime, though if painting troops with white uniforms, I use grey.

Matthew

richarDISNEY05 Nov 2012 8:46 a.m. PST

I only use white myself on everything.
beer

Dervel Fezian05 Nov 2012 8:51 a.m. PST

I also tend towards black….

I have seen and used black prime with a light grey or white dry brush to help lighten up certain areas before adding colors.

Sort of the opposite of the white with black wash idea.

PatrickWR05 Nov 2012 8:58 a.m. PST

I use black but have lately been experimenting with gray.

BlackSmoke05 Nov 2012 9:04 a.m. PST

I have heard of the white drybrush too, but I think that as long as the black is matt enough then it's not too much of a problem picking out the detail. It's when it comes out shiny that I have issues. Thankfully, for larger figures, the gesso I use is very flat.

Charles Marlow05 Nov 2012 9:12 a.m. PST

If I had to choose between those three, I'd choose white, but my preferred method is to prime with the base colour. I usually use my airbrush but if I'm feeling lazy I use spray primer.

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP05 Nov 2012 11:04 a.m. PST

Black, unless the colors have to "pop" or it's stonework or spacecraft (or modern navy/air, if I did those), in which case white for the color pop and gray for the stone/ships.

As I work in 10mm almost exclusively, black helps make certain the hard-to-reach recesses remain dark shadows.

Fat Wally05 Nov 2012 11:15 a.m. PST

I switched exclusively this year to grey with black ink wash, after years of black priming.

I noticed that I was having difficulty seeing detail on 15mm figs.

GildasFacit Sponsoring Member of TMP05 Nov 2012 12:30 p.m. PST

Tried all three and grey with black wash works best on 6mm for me – which is what I mostly paint.

Black gets worse with age – much more difficult to see details, even with a drybrush.

ming3105 Nov 2012 12:43 p.m. PST

White prime everything . But I only do 28 mm stuff . definetly not definitly not black definitly not .

basileus6605 Nov 2012 1:48 p.m. PST

It depends on what I am painting. For larger figures I prefer neutral grey, but for smaller sizes (15mm or smaller) I use black.

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP05 Nov 2012 4:13 p.m. PST

I use white all the time

Rrobbyrobot05 Nov 2012 6:06 p.m. PST

I use black most of the time. But for stuff like My 1882 Egyptians I used white.

advocate06 Nov 2012 3:22 a.m. PST

I don't paint well enough for it to matter. But I usually go with black.

VicCina06 Nov 2012 7:38 a.m. PST

To be honest with you I can't tell the difference between the two and that could be based on my computer, not your painting. I liked both units and it really is a personal preference.

I tend to use Black primer on larger figures 15mm and up and Grey primer on 10mm and down.

wrgmr106 Nov 2012 7:45 a.m. PST

Black usually. Grey if the figures have white uniforms, Same as 45thdiv.

wrgmr106 Nov 2012 7:45 a.m. PST

Black usually. Grey if the figures have white uniforms. Same as 45thdiv.

EricThe Shed06 Nov 2012 7:47 a.m. PST

Brown is an interesting alternative…used on all my native indians

Eric

6milPhil06 Nov 2012 10:08 a.m. PST

Grey

BlackSmoke07 Nov 2012 3:22 a.m. PST

To be honest with you I can't tell the difference between the two and that could be based on my computer, not your painting.

It could also be based on my photography! :)

I admit that the difference isn't huge, but I found that I had more leeway with the black in creating shadows. And, as I point out in the blog, it's a touch faster as the black is already blocked out. If they were wearing grey or white hats and gaiters then it would make a lot more sense.

cooey2ph07 Nov 2012 5:29 a.m. PST

black for dark, heavy stuff stuff, grey for lighter colored stuff. prefer to paint on grety though.

Elenderil09 Nov 2012 7:48 a.m. PST

I usually use white I find black deadens the colours too much on 6mm figures. I might try the black with a white dry brush idea as a test though.

Mythicus17 Nov 2012 7:06 p.m. PST

I prime black, then highlight with white or gray. Not because it looks better, but so I can see what I am trying to paint. Otherwise there is no depth for me to perceive.

TKindred01 Sep 2013 6:26 a.m. PST

I mostly use white primer, though it depends upon the base color of the minis.

For my WH40K Khorne troops, I use a rust red primer, sometimes called an oxide red.

I've also taken a shine to the new Warpaints color spray primer & basecoat combo. They have a Barbarian Flesh that worked great on a large Celtic army that's currrently on my table. Saved me a ton of time. Likewise, I used their chainmail for my Caesarian Romans. Saved me a bunch of time and layers.

BUT….. mostly it's white primer. If I need a grey or darker base, I use a white primer with a wash of black over top. Works like a champ. grin

Joes Shop Supporting Member of TMP02 Sep 2013 3:52 a.m. PST

Gray. I'll use white for specific types of figures. Never use black.

rabbit03 Sep 2013 12:08 a.m. PST

"Black, grey or white?"

YES

Depends upon what I am painting, ships (grey hulls) get sprayed grey as do horses that will be greys.

Russian Infantry and other figs that are dark in colour; black.

Austrians, Neapolitans, Wurzburgers; White.

It varies

rabbit

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP03 Sep 2013 5:07 a.m. PST

I used to use white, then passed onto black to hide better missed patches. I quite like grey the few times I've used it.

Mal Sabreur15 Sep 2013 4:44 a.m. PST

I HATE black undercoat! Whenever I use it I end up with a muddy looking mess unless I use really thick coats of paint. The only way I've found to counteract that is to undercat black then dry brush with white or first with a mid grey then white on top
I normally use a white undercoat or sometimes a pale grey or blue for white or pale uniforms,
These Austrian grenadiers have been undercoated dark grey then dry-brushed white. They're glued to header cards from their bags to speed up painting.

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