"WW1 Italian" Topic
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Ned Ludd | 18 Oct 2012 1:29 p.m. PST |
Does any one out there have a on line source for WW1 Italian uniforms? I am looking for Officer uniform info from junior officers up to battalion command or above. |
corvettek225 | 18 Oct 2012 3:05 p.m. PST |
Illustrations link everyone will have same basic components of color(scroll down): link My Pendraken 10mm Bersaglieri (these colors will work for 28mm as well):
My painting notes (Vallejo Model Color and Panzer Aces): Hat shadows: 102 German Field Grey base: 102 German Field Grey + 101 Green Grey (2:1) higlights: 102 German Field Grey + 101 Green Grey (1:1) Plume shadows: 168 Black Grey + 169 Black (1:1) base: 168 Black Grey highlight: 160 Neutraal Grey Uniform shadows: 102 German Field Grey + 169 Black (3:1) base: 102 German Field Grey highlights :102 German Field Grey + 101 Green Grey (4:1) 2nd highlight: Highlights :102 German Field Grey + 101 Green Grey (2:1) Leggings shadow: 168 Black Grey base: 327 Italian Tankcrew + 331 Highlight Italian Tankcrew (2:1) Boots shadow: 169 Black base: 316 Dark Mud + 169 Black (2:1) highlight : 316 Dark Mud Leatherwork shadow: 94 Russian Uniform WWII + 169 Black (3:1) base: 94 Russian Uniform WWII On the shadow colors 3:1 might not be accurate (it has been a long time) so, you might want to adjust to taste. |
Ned Ludd | 20 Oct 2012 10:38 a.m. PST |
Thanks very much a really good site to know about. |
cplcampisi | 02 Jun 2013 5:39 p.m. PST |
I realize that this is an old post, but I've recently learned a lot about Italian uniforms and equipment in WW1, and wanted to share my knowledge. In short, the uniform colors changed during the war. We should keep in mind two things: 1. There's usually a fair amount of variation in wool colors to begin with. 2. "Grigio-verde" means gray-green, it's not a specific color; the official color of grigio-verde varied over time. With that in mind: Early War grigio-verde was somewhat bluish, and has been described as very similar to German feldgrau (although, I would go with dark and very green feldgrau). Note it is not the same as WW2 grigio-verde, which was even darker. However, Italy got it's blue dye from Germany, and when they went to war with Germany in 1916, that supply dried up. So they switched to locally produced blue dyes, but most of them didn't "fix" and the blue would fade out of the cloth almost immediately. This resulted in a rather different color, which I call "gray olive-drab". Officers, often wore privately purchased uniforms, and these could be the same as standard cloth, although I've heard of one example from 1918 that looks almost identical to ww2 grigio-verde. Officers would also get uniforms in a kind of gabardine cloth, this was usually much lighter and grayer in color. Finally, behind the lines, they were allowed to wear black dress uniforms. They don't seem to have been too common, and were probably more of an early war thing. Ranks were on the cuffs, and for the officers on the cuffs and cap. link It changed somewhat during the course of the war. Here's a photo I found online of two WW1 era garments:
The one on the left is from 1912, the one on the right from 1916 (note that how this displays on the screen will vary considerably, but should provide a comparative view of the differences). And here's a photo my reenactment group in very well made repro uniforms:
The color of our ammo pouches is wrong, it should be a lighter/yellower gray-green color. I've got to run now. But if any one is interested I can add more information about how leather gear changed, and the myriad of colors that were used on helmets. |
spontoon | 07 Jun 2013 7:13 p.m. PST |
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cplcampisi | 07 Jun 2013 8:42 p.m. PST |
Thanks spontoon. I guess I'll add a brief word about leather gear: Officially, at the start, leather gear was supposed to be black. In practice the brims of the cap were black. M1908 leather equipment was usually natural brown, although it may be heavily oiled (this seems to have been the case during the Italo-Turkish War). A few days after Italy entered WW1, they ordered that all leather gear be painted gray-green, even the leather on the caps. It doesn't look like it was universally done, it certainly seems rare on caps. By the end of the war it was probably more common, and they were actually making leather in that color. It's a lighter, more yellow color, than the WW2 equipment we are wearing. A cloth ammo pouch was introduced to save on leather, they show up mainly in training photos. A cloth bayonet frog was also used, and that seems to have been more common. M1891 leather gear was usually black. It's identified by the single ammo pouch. Bayonet scabbards were usually black leather with brass trim. I'm wearing a fluted metal scabbard -- metal scabbards may have originally been intended for troops armed with the TS moschetto, but eventually seem to have been generally issued. Boots: M1900 Boots were common early in the war. They are usually black (although there are some reports of natural brown during the Italo-Turkish War). M1912 Boots were brown. Repros might look two-toned. Because the reinforced tow and heel were smooth-side out, and the body was rough-side out. Fresh from the factory the smooth-side out pieces were died brown, the rough-side left natural. But, as they are oiled, waxed, etc., the rough-side turns dark quickly, leading to a more uniform brown color. Slings could be natural brown, or gray-green. |
cplcampisi | 08 Jun 2013 2:37 p.m. PST |
Helmets: Barring Farina armor, there were two types of helmets issued to Italian soldiers during WW1: The M1915 French Adrian, and the locally produced M1916 Italian Adrian (sometimes called "Lippman"?). The Italian Adrian was simplified with the shell being one piece. It had some other minor differences but had the same general lines as the French Adrian. Until the very end of the war, French adrians for export were painted blue at the factory, then repainted by the receiving country. In Italy this leads to a myriad of colors ranging from a light yellowish olive-green, to a dark gray-green, to even a "bottle green" color. Many were hand painted. Sometimes, especially among early shipments, the helmets weren't even repainted they were just left blue. The examples that I've seen have that lighter, bluer color that I think was common with early run Adrians (as opposed to the late war Adrians that were darker and grayer). The M1916 Italian Adrian, was also painted in many different colors, but in it's case they tended toward the lighter end of the spectrum, and are rarely seen in dark colors. On the front of the helmet, instead of physical emblem like the French, the Italians would *sometimes* paint a black emblem onto the helmet. It seems more common for this not to happen, but it was still fairly common. I have an original M1915 Adrian in very good condition. The interior is blue, and still has the manufacturer's mark on it. The underside of the brim is a kind of light copper olive color. It was repainted again, sometime in the 1930s or during WW2, in a lighter green color, but only on the outside. I think it was issued to the coastal infantry then. |
Joep123 | 24 Jun 2013 8:45 a.m. PST |
Hello Cplcampisi; My Grandfather served in the Italian Army during WW1. He was a Sergeant and part of a Machine Gun team. I still remember stories he told us about the war when we were young. I'd like to see more photos of your group and learn more. If you have anything, you can send me an email at.. parvanaj@comcast.net Thanks Joe |
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