"Codex: Chaos Space Marines. " Topic

The new Codex has been out for a couple of days now and I'm sure someone here has bought one. Does the book have an index?

Yeah…pretty good actually. They hit this one on the nose with everything except that stupid flying dragon the added.

How good is the index?

I think the flying dragon is cool. It might just be me, though.

I like the dragon as well, but I may be biased because someone is paying me more money than I deserve to paint one for them in Alpha Legion colors. ;)

Actually, it is a pretty neat model, but a plastic version of the Hell Talon and/or Hell blade probably would have gone over better. They need plastic Dreadclaw pods too.

The new Champion model is a little ridiculous though….$20 for a marine captain I could understand…he comes with a TON of extra parts and selling the combi-melta on Ebay will instantly recoup half his cost for you, but $20 USD for an 8 part, single pose, unimpressive plastic figure which looks like he belongs in the starter set is a bit much for me. Might put him on the Christmas list, but I'd never buy one myself.

The flying dragon looks good compared to dino-bot link

This guys "evil nurgle hermit crab" is pretty good though link

I agree with Wolfprophet about the Champion model. Its a lackluster figure. I miss teh gool old days when Instead of making just one chaos champion, GW would make 30 different choas champions.

I don't like the Dragon either. Too fantasy, not enough sci fi.

And is it me or does the Codex actually seem thinner and weigh less (but of course cost more) than previous editions?

10 dollars for a combi-melta?

…sorry, back to the discussion at hand.
Ditto what Bede19025 said. Now back to work on those Zoat mercenaries.

…oh, how about that index folks?

Overall the box is well laid out with just the perfect amount of fluff. The back of the book has a very nice compendium of most rules in a fold out page. The only question is which chaos force now? I did nurgle in the past so they are out. I think i am leaning towards Word Bearers or Alpha Legion.

I'm actually ok with the dragon, but I think if you removed the head and neck, and turned the stump into a B-29 style cockpit, it could make a pretty sweet Dralthi style fighter. (replacing the claws with guns would help as well)

@Wolfprophet and chuck05

While I agree the options of the new Aspiring Champion is more limited than the 5th ed. plastic Space Marine Captain, it is nevertheless a beautiful model. Here's how Adam Troke described it on page 18 of the new WD:

"This (Aspiring Champion) kit contains a single, masterfully sculpted plastic miniature – the cunning workmanship, how the model goes together, the sense of depth and the staggering design all make it a Citadel miniature that is beyond compare."

Though Adam sounds like he's selling a Lexus or a piece of jewelry here rather than a miniature, I have to agree that this miniature has way more detail than the Space Marine Captain. Just look at the pictures detailing the axe and backpack. Unbelievable.

I like this Aspiring Champion miniature more than the other single minis like the Warpsmith, Sorceror and Dark Apostle. It is an exquisite piece of art. It makes old models like Kharn, Abaddon and even Ahriman (sorry Jes) pale in comparison.

Agreed, I just assembled one (Which is also going to be Alpha Legion.) It is definitely a pretty figure, but the lack of options is a bit off putting personally. He comes only with a power axe and a combi-melta, which is sculpted into his backpack. So, cool display piece maybe. He could make for a decent HQ choice as a Lord too I think.

I would love a new Kharn figure though. Not just a resin recast, but one is a more dynamic pose, greater detail, etc. He's quite the bad ass.

Ooo. There's an idea. Using the champion as a basis…. perhaps a Catachan arm to represent his bare arm, a chaos plasma pistol and the chain axe from a berzerker. Scratchbuilt Kharn! Might have to use a berzerker backpack too, but I'm sure there's a way to make it all fit.

I downloaded the sample of the digital version of the codex onto my iPad and I have to say it is amazing. No the sample shows no signs of an index however it has hyperlinks throughout which allow you to go from one section of the book to another. Tap on any special rule and it immediately pops up a balloon defining that rule. Same for weapon stats. They also have links to pop up the fluff, meaning it is out of your way while you're flipping through the Codex. Someone put an amazing amount of work into this product. That must explain why the digital version costs as much as the paper one. Seems like a great way for them to kill the resale market. Nonetheless, you should download the sample and take a gander for yourself.

I agree the new daemon engines look suspiciously like Dino-Bots, but I think I can live with the Heldrake. I'd get the Dark Apostle if he wasn't Finecast, the rest of the new figures aren't anything I can't live without.
As for the codex itself, it looks great. I bought the HC and downloaded the free iBookstore sample. It's worth downloading the sample if you can, as it includes the glossary. The army list looks like it will make CSM fun to play again, but I don't think it will make them a top army in competitive circles.

…ah, competitive circles…

Any thought on the new Codex options?

For eg:

- I can't see the point of Defiler anymore, they have gone from overpriced to extremely overpriced, and I can't see that the Maulerfiend and Forcefiend are worth the points.

- Anyone think the Heldrake is worth having?

- Ditto Warp Talons

- Ditto Mutilators

- Helbrutes – field as gunships or fightships (look like good value to me)

- Chosen have lost their Infiltrate capability yet are still 18pts, despite CSM gong down to 15 pts. Worth it?

Seems to me the best option is a "Spave Marine army with spiky bits" structure rather than using any of the weird and wonderful stuff there.

Never have done Chaos and never will so the Codex does nothing for me.

I do have one thing to say though. It is not worth the $50 USD that it goes for.