CAG 19 | 21 Sep 2012 2:13 p.m. PST |
So apart from the well known classics Zulu Zulu Dawn Gungha Din Northwest Frontier/Flame Over India King of the Khyber Rifles/The Black Watch The Four Feathers The Brigand of Khandahar Lives of a Bengal Lancer Kim The Man who would be King Khartoum Beau Geste Under Two Flags 55 Days at Peking what else can be added to whet the appetite and take someone into yet another new gaming project? |
MajorB | 21 Sep 2012 2:19 p.m. PST |
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Iowa Grognard | 21 Sep 2012 2:20 p.m. PST |
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Lou from BSM  | 21 Sep 2012 2:29 p.m. PST |
The Man Who Would Be King 55 Days at Peking |
DisasterWargamer  | 21 Sep 2012 2:35 p.m. PST |
Lawrence of Arabia March or Die Lives of a Bengal Lancer Kim Sand Pebbles Lion of the Desert Breaker Morant Fort Saganne |
MajorB | 21 Sep 2012 2:40 p.m. PST |
Lawrence of Arabia March or Die Sand Pebbles Lion of the Desert Fort Saganne All of these are set in the 20th century so don't really qualify as "Colonial" films. |
ColCampbell  | 21 Sep 2012 2:49 p.m. PST |
Courtesy of Lori Brom: A sampling of what's available for your viewing pleasure at The Cinema at Colonial Barracks convention in November: Gunga Din Zulu Zulu Dawn Four Feathers Khartoum The Drum Lives of a Bengal Lancer The Wind and The Lion 55 Days at Peking The Real Glory Beau Geste Under Two Flags Drums Along the Mohawk Northwest Passage Last of the Mohicans The Crossing Waterloo Fort Apache She Wore a Yellow Ribbon Rio Grande Rough Riders |
Lou from BSM  | 21 Sep 2012 2:51 p.m. PST |
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willthepiper | 21 Sep 2012 3:26 p.m. PST |
Lawrence of Arabia March or Die Sand Pebbles Lion of the Desert Fort Saganne All of these are set in the 20th century so don't really qualify as "Colonial" films.
I disagree. IMNSHO, the colonial period extends past the end of WWII, to the independence of the colonies. I'll add to the list from New Zealand (Maori Wars): Utu River Queen From Canada (Riel Rebellion) Riel (TV miniseries) Africa: Mountains of the Moon Ghost in the Darkness Shout at the Devil African Queen Shaka (tv miniseries) Legionnaire India The Rising: the legend of Mangal Pandy (Bollywood take on the Indian Mutiny!) Nicaragua Walker (about William Walker, American filibuster in Nicaragua) |
Rudysnelson | 21 Sep 2012 3:38 p.m. PST |
I too would consider the colonial era up to the end of WW2. What was the Gregory peck movie with him in the Philippines as a doctor and the Moros are a big theme? Seems like there was a movie on the Maori revolts in New Zealand. I am sure there are a number of non-main stream movies from small countries that would be interesting as well. For example there was a South African movie about the conflict between Boers and Zulus shortly after the turn of the 1900s. |
nnascati  | 21 Sep 2012 4:06 p.m. PST |
It was "The Real Glory", Gary Cooper, not Gregory Peck. |
nnascati  | 21 Sep 2012 4:14 p.m. PST |
Breaker Morant (the Second Boer War) Lord Jim (sort of) Young Winston The Light that Failed East of Sudan Sanders of the River (Paul Robeson) |
nnascati  | 21 Sep 2012 4:15 p.m. PST |
Drums Along the Mohawk and Northwest Passage are the wrong sort of Colonial, aren't they? |
William Warner | 21 Sep 2012 4:21 p.m. PST |
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Bobgnar  | 21 Sep 2012 4:47 p.m. PST |
People ask these kinds of questions with no definition of what they mean. Then people answer and are told they are wrong. Do we count USA vs native peoples in the colonial expansion of the USA. Manifest Destiny? Not making a political statement, but what else to call it in the context of this question. Michael Collins The Wind the Shakes the Barley Gandhi Stanley and Livingston The Search for the Nile Rhodes of Africa found this list for all the Africa films that were missed. imdb.com/list/kESMXyycsUY The Lost Command |
nnascati  | 21 Sep 2012 4:54 p.m. PST |
Bob, Good point fro,m you of course. When I see the term "Colonial", I automatically assume they are referring to the "Kipling"/ Sword and the Flame era of roughly 1870 to 1920. |
CPBelt | 21 Sep 2012 5:27 p.m. PST |
Interwar period is Pulp, not Colonial. Very different periods IMO. Just sayin'. |
Katzbalger | 21 Sep 2012 6:36 p.m. PST |
If we're saying end of WW2, I say why not a little later? The Wild Geese. But I prefer pre-WW2 as the cut-off. Rob |
John the OFM  | 21 Sep 2012 7:12 p.m. PST |
Is the Major General's site still up? He had a VERY comprehensive list of movies. |
Shagnasty  | 21 Sep 2012 8:21 p.m. PST |
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Ravens Forge Miniatures | 21 Sep 2012 8:52 p.m. PST |
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Jakar Nilson | 21 Sep 2012 9:04 p.m. PST |
Would "The Last Remake of Beau Geste" count? |
CAG 19 | 21 Sep 2012 11:53 p.m. PST |
My bad obviously for posing an ambiguous question on the 19c board ;) Only Joking
.. As Colonialism can cover the period from the 1500s until the period of national liberation movements in the 1960s, I should have bounded the question in terms of both time and space. +/- 20 Years of the 19C in the period of European domination of Africa and Asia. But, there are some interesting movies in the list outside of what I imagined so why not include them. TMP is a friendly place. |
Huscarle | 22 Sep 2012 4:01 a.m. PST |
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79thPA  | 22 Sep 2012 5:47 a.m. PST |
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The Virtual Armchair General  | 22 Sep 2012 10:19 a.m. PST |
Now, I KNOW this isn't going to happen, but I've just got to spit this out of my craw: The period the majority of Gamers call "Colonials" is really the "Age of Imperialism." Not to be Marxist (God Forbid!), but when Britain, most of Europe, and ultimately the US all reached out to control lands in other continents--largely Africa, but also Asia and Pacifica--for economic (and other) advantages, this was "Imperialism" in the modern sense of the word. "Colonials" was certainly coined originally in reference to Imperial Colonies and their wars for control and consolidation, but from the late 1960's until sometime in the late 70's (when I first entered this wing of The Hobby), my first thought at the sight of the word was "The American Colonies," and the age of the Revolution, etc. Of course I was wrong to think so in terms of the hobby, but that same period is called the era of "Colonialism," and that describes it very well. If the truth be told--and decades of habit overturned on the basis of one (possible) pedant's post--we should be referring to our interest as "Imperialism," "Imperials," or even "Native Bashing." If I had to vote, I'd choose the second option, but, like I said, it ain't gonna happen. TVAG |
CAG 19 | 22 Sep 2012 11:48 a.m. PST |
Well that effectively kills off this thread, Thanks for the Hijack. |
spontoon | 22 Sep 2012 7:24 p.m. PST |
So. We're all agreed then? Mad Max IS a "Colonial" film? |
John the OFM  | 23 Sep 2012 7:50 a.m. PST |
Well that effectively kills off this thread, Thanks for the Hijack.
HOW was your thread hijacked? By seeking to narrowly define the term? What is this new trend on TMP, where the OP thinks he can control the direction with rudeness and failing to understand that the question IS being answered? The OP has NEVER been able to control the direction of a thread, and it is pointless to try, let alone whine about it. |
John the OFM  | 23 Sep 2012 7:51 a.m. PST |
People ask these kinds of questions with no definition of what they mean. Then people answer and are told they are wrong. I couldn't agree more. |
Rrobbyrobot | 23 Sep 2012 9:19 a.m. PST |
I'm not a computer geek. I'm a wargaming, miniature painting and scratch building nerd. So I guess it's ok for me to ask what, exactly, is this 'hijacking'? I didn't see any comment that did not in some way contribute to the conversation at hand. Even had someone brought in WW2 itself in trying to define the term 'colonial' it wouldn't be totally wrong. Churchill had among his goals the preservation of the British Empire. Colonies and all. What the Japanese did was nothing short of colonialism. While TVAG, for example, was not directly responsive to your original question. And while I'm not sure I agree with his point. He was commenting on an issue that was brought up in the thread. If one means to narrowly define a term then please do so when stating the original question. Or in a follow up comment. I mean, if one is to assume authority at least be responsible in doing so. |
Jeremy Sutcliffe | 23 Sep 2012 10:28 a.m. PST |
OK, so there's no tight definition of "colonial" but the question is asked on the 19thC boards so colonial in the slightly displaced century, 1815 to 1914, might be considered reasonable parameters but in wargaming terms I also suspect we are also saying an industrial colonising power against a native power (with the odd exception such as the Boer War) |
Mad Guru  | 23 Sep 2012 10:36 a.m. PST |
A couple more titles from British India, both dealing with operations against the Thuggee movement in the 1830s: -The Stranglers of Bombay (1959) -The Deceivers (1988) |
Murvihill | 24 Sep 2012 9:43 a.m. PST |
Does "The Little Princess" count? Or does that kill off the thread too? |
BullDog69 | 25 Sep 2012 4:30 a.m. PST |
The God-awful BBC mini-series 'Rhodes' – though it is ahistorical Politically-Correct garbage in the main If you can find it, 'The Shangani Patrol' 'Heart of Darkness' 'Northwest Frontier' is one of my favourite – to those of us used to him playing the Commissioner in the Pink Panther films and blowing himself up / cutting his fingers off, Hubert Lum is bizarrely cast as a scheming, murderous terrorist type At the risk of 'Hi-jacking' the thread, one could arguably add most John Wayne era Westerns too. I've also heard the Falklands War described as 'Britain's Last Colonial War', so that takes us into the 1980s. Is the Boer War really a colonial war? It always (by myself too) gets lumped in with colonial wars, but not sure it really qualifies as one – obviously, it all depends on your definition. |
Chouan | 26 Sep 2012 11:25 a.m. PST |
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Jeremy Sutcliffe | 26 Sep 2012 12:56 p.m. PST |
Bulldog69 I though our last Colonial War was Iraq |
BullDog69 | 27 Sep 2012 2:47 a.m. PST |
Jeremy Sutcliffe I'm intrigued – by what definition? Is Iraq now a British colony? |
138SquadronRAF | 01 Oct 2012 6:25 p.m. PST |
I disagree with John the OFM, if a you as a question and that question is not being answered to you satisfaction, you have ever right to point out the fact that it has not been answered to your satisfaction. We know that threads can drift and anyone can point it out. Not all of us here enjoy highjacking threads. Looking through the list, you've covered the ones I would include. |
Edwulf | 02 Oct 2012 2:37 a.m. PST |
The Decievers – 1825, British officer vs Thuggees. Made an impression on me as a kid. |
Edwulf | 02 Oct 2012 2:52 a.m. PST |
The Opium War – Chinese film from the 90s. Veer – Indian film about Pindaris. Very rosy look at them. They were patriots .. Not violent bandits. Lol. It used to be up on you tube. Baler – Philippinos vs Spanish. |