Captain dEwell | 21 Sep 2012 1:29 p.m. PST |
Do you want to retain the option to stifle on TMP and instead remove the stifle count? The stifle count amounts to an unhelpful and inaccurate record of the TMP-ers posting history and implies criticism of his ability to express himself. As a tool to help the individual realise they are behaving badly and encourage them to change it is totally useless since it neither identifies which episode that incurred the stifle or the stifler. It thus ensures there is no reasonable way to redress the situation. Besides, a number of TMP-ers do not know why they have been stifled and therefore cannot change the way they post. It is recognised that simply mentioning the word 'stifle' will gain you more of them – that is simply childish behaviour. Therefore, not knowing why you have been stifled and not being able to rectify 'something about the way you post' there is absolutely no need for it to be recorded on TMP. Get rid of the wretched stifle count a) YES b) NO (And what is the need for a league table of the most stifled TMP-ers?)
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Coyotepunc and Hatshepsuut | 21 Sep 2012 2:41 p.m. PST |
I think it's better to just keep everyone guessing
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Streitax | 21 Sep 2012 4:10 p.m. PST |
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BigNickR | 21 Sep 2012 4:17 p.m. PST |
Just as long as everyone remembers the rules are made up and the points don't matter
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Wolfprophet | 21 Sep 2012 4:32 p.m. PST |
{Insert offensive remark.} |
Happy Little Trees | 21 Sep 2012 4:35 p.m. PST |
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Whirlwind | 21 Sep 2012 6:20 p.m. PST |
Yes. Cos then no-one would ever talk about stifles again. Regards |
Lentulus | 21 Sep 2012 6:59 p.m. PST |
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Space Monkey | 21 Sep 2012 7:34 p.m. PST |
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Wolfprophet | 21 Sep 2012 7:58 p.m. PST |
Yes! 189 stifles! Lets see if I can make 190 by tomorrow. I can't imagine I'm out of people with delicate sensibilities just yet. |
John the OFM | 21 Sep 2012 8:11 p.m. PST |
HOW MANY TIMES is this same question going to be brought up for a vote? Is this something that we will keep voting on "until we get it right"? Both parts of your Poll have been voted on more times than I can remember, and each time, the ability to stifle has been overwhelmingly voted YES, and keeping the stifle count has been voted up. EVERY SINGLE THING you are complaining about has been affirmed, and re-affirmed and re-re-affirmed in some stupid Poll or another. Why not just give up? Stofles, thje stifle count, and the list of top stiflees are here to stay. Deal with it. They are here because The Editor likes them. All Polls that supposedly determine their fate are rigged to give a wide array of results, and frankly I think the numbers are rigged to give "the right answer" anyway. Yes, I think the ballot box is stuffed. So, quit whining about stifles. It's getting tiresome. |
John the OFM | 21 Sep 2012 8:14 p.m. PST |
As a tool to help the individual realise they are behaving badly and encourage them to change it is totally useless since it neither identifies which episode that incurred the stifle or the stifler. That is not the purpose at all. The purpose is to let me ignore, within the body of a thread the ignorant bleatings of peple who offend me. They also have the ability to ignore me. PLEASE, do not say that I can just ignore it. That is difficult within a thread. Frabnkly, I do not give a flying fart if anybody's tender feelings are hurt by being stifled. Grow up. |
skippy0001 | 21 Sep 2012 9:16 p.m. PST |
This will be debated until the stars are right and the Old OFM Gods return to take their place once more as the Masters of Boardic Verse. The Stifles must flow. Until then you're just stifling a dead Horsehead Nebula, give it a rest. So any bets on how many stifles I get for this? |
John the OFM | 21 Sep 2012 9:39 p.m. PST |
How many do you want? I'll see if my Sybil accounts are busy. |
Captain dEwell | 21 Sep 2012 10:27 p.m. PST |
Quillotine? Who's messing around? Guillotine, guillotine, quillotine |
highlandcatfrog | 21 Sep 2012 10:38 p.m. PST |
What the OFM said. |
Rrobbyrobot | 21 Sep 2012 11:10 p.m. PST |
I have to agree with John. And this is getting very, very old. |
sneakgun | 22 Sep 2012 3:29 a.m. PST |
The whole stifle thing is just silly. We might as well have a car horn and flipping off button for thread rage. |
flooglestreet | 22 Sep 2012 5:32 a.m. PST |
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vtsaogames | 22 Sep 2012 6:22 a.m. PST |
They're installing a guillotine here? Are there going to be fishwives screeching for the heads? At last, real entertainment! |
Captain dEwell | 22 Sep 2012 6:30 a.m. PST |
flooglestreet, She's gorgeous!! Who's the creep in the red panties? So wrong. |
14Bore | 22 Sep 2012 8:55 a.m. PST |
Until I catch up to John, no |
Jo Jo the Idiot Circus Boy | 23 Sep 2012 4:40 a.m. PST |
I would rather see the stiffle system replaced with a "troll flag" button. As it stands right now the stiffle system is really not a good anti-troll device. I post on several forums that use the "Disqus" commenting system. This includes an option to "flag" an offensive post. When a post receives a set number of flags from seperate IP addresses(a value set by the site owner) the post is automaticly removed. It's pretty effective in keeping troll activity to a minimum. Not only are the really offensive posts quickly removed (assuming a low enough removal threshold and a willingness in the community to flag troll posts) but trolls get shown the door pretty quickly as known trouble makers get to the point were anything they post gets "flagged on sight regardless of content" by the rest of the community. Yes, the system can be abused, and it's not perfect. But it works better than a "stiffle" system. |
John the OFM | 23 Sep 2012 8:26 a.m. PST |
As it stands right now the stiffle system is really not a good anti-troll device. Another misunderstanding of what the stifle is designed for. It is a purely personal feature, specific to one account, and is not visible to the one stifled. It is like having an eraser on my pencil, that I am only able to use on the sheet of paper in front of me. If you want to change an invisible function into an icon that shouts "YOU ARE AN IGNORANT SOB!", I would have to think about whether I would use that. It sounds liek a personal attack to me. |
Rrobbyrobot | 23 Sep 2012 9:33 a.m. PST |
I find myself agreeing with John again. The stifle function is quite helpful, in my opinion. The stifle count isn't as obviously useful so far as I can tell. Even when one considers the Editor's explanation behind it. It would seem to presuppose that we TMPers are all mature, responsible adults. Kinda at odds with this being a family oriented site where even children may post comments. I was not a mature, responsible, adult like person at the age of thirteen when I started out in this hobby. Heck, I only just about manage that trick now. |
Jo Jo the Idiot Circus Boy | 23 Sep 2012 6:10 p.m. PST |
I don't normally interact with D&D monsters that must be killed with fire lest they regenerate. But in this case I'll make an exception to clear up a misconception. John, you misunderstand what forum "ignore" features such as TMP's "stiffle" are for. They are the most basic level of troll control. They are there to spare a specific person from having to view posts from a member they have determined to be trolling or otherwise objectionable. "Ignore" buttons are also the most ineffective method for troll control in that they leave the miscreant free to continue his misbehaving rather than actually disciline him and in the case of the handful of places like TMP that actually show the number of ignores, they actually feed the problem by providing yet more negative attention to the troll, who by definition is seeking such attention. That's why I personally prefer proactive measures like agressive moderation or forum self policing via "flag buttons" and the like. It comes as no suprise to me that you would oppose a post flaging feature. Given how many people you have irritated with your behavior on most forums (you do behave and actually contitribute in a small handful, I'll give you that) you are the sort of poster who would quickly find their posts having a shelf life measured in minutes. But it's all just a discusion at this point as such a feature has no chance of being impimented here. Armintrout seems wedded to TMP's oboslete software and fine with the status quo. Ah well. Last post on the thread. |
sneakgun | 23 Sep 2012 8:21 p.m. PST |
Just another thread about miniatures. |