"Are These North Korean Or Chinese Uniforms?" Topic

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Dan

At first glance they seem to be based on the Modern Chinese. Possibly a Cold weather issue? Don't know about the Sam Browne belts though.

From what I understand in the movie it was suppose to be the Chinese that invades but was change to the North Koreans for relationship reasons. The patches had to be digitally changed from Chinese to North Korean but they did not change the uniforms, so I would say those would still be Chinese uniforms

Uniforms??? Gonna watch it for the KABOOOOM! ;-)

I would say that they are almost certainly not North Korean uniforms, which is generally an olive drab colour.

Ezza

I wouldn't have thought one could make a movie dumber than the first "Red Dawn." Looks like I've been proven wrong.

@ chriskrum BLASPHEMER!

Another remake that will suck.

Seriously, Grossman, the movie was born from the most paranoid delusional fantasies of the 80s.

The U.S. is invaded and occupied by Cubans? With some Russian and other non-specified evil South American support (Nicaraguans)?

Then a bunch of teenagers lead a successful partisan uprising. They're somehow able to do what the regular Armed Forces weren't able to do?

Just stupid. Plus lots of bad acting and silly jingoistic faux patriotism. I must have been 14 when I first saw it and it made me cringe then.

Now for the sequel we have a North Korean occupation. At least the Cubans and Russians could claim some kind of airborne ability. The North Koreans are still flying biplanes.

The only worse crap was that godawful mini-series "Amerika." Then again, all it took was 9/11 to give us a Department of Homeland Security (seriously, did Bush look around at his cabinet and say, "We need a name for this new department, what would Orwell call it?").

If you have even 2 brain cells, you'll find the remake even stupider than the original, which I wouldn't have believed possible

Seriously, Grossman, the movie was born from the most paranoid delusional fantasies of the 80s.

The U.S. is invaded and occupied by Cubans? With some Russian and other non-specified evil South American support (Nicaraguans)?

Then a bunch of teenagers lead a successful partisan uprising. They're somehow able to do what the regular Armed Forces weren't able to do?

Just stupid. Plus lots of bad acting and silly jingoistic faux patriotism. I must have been 14 when I first saw it and it made me cringe then.

Now for the sequel we have a North Korean occupation. At least the Cubans and Russians could claim some kind of airborne ability. The North Koreans are still flying biplanes.

The only worse crap was that godawful mini-series "Amerika." Then again, all it took was 9/11 to give us a Department of Homeland Security (seriously, did Bush look around at his cabinet and say, "We need a name for this new department, what would Orwell call it?").
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Wow.

Just WOW!

Hate America much there buddy??

Bob

Yes, chrisk is completely right, the movie is born from paranoid delusional fantasies of the 80's. And that's why it's so much fun!

(Bob, criticising jingoism isn't hating America).

It was changed to North Korea not for relationship reasons but rather to not alienate the large (although non-copyright respecting) Chinese market.

Totally a money play by the studio in charge. Although I can't imagine it will make much anyway.

(Bob, criticising jingoism isn't hating America).

What Tuscaloosa said. You can love something as it is but still want it to be even better.

Also what leidang said. Between the time the movie was made (begun 3 years ago!) and today, the Chinese have become an even larger market for the US entertainment industry than they were before.

And, finally, what everyone else has said: What an absolutely stupid idea for a remake.

With the signing of production deals between American and Chinese studios and the takeover of the AMC movie chain by Wanda of China the change to North Korea makes economic sense

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Martians invading is a more realistic scenario than this one.

No dumber than the ridiculous COD plots, the players of which the film is squarely aimed at, with perhaps a nostalgia tug at their parents. If it was released, I'm sure the CGI effects would guarantee a healthy box office return, especially as they now cost less and less to create.

Camo uniforms tend to look very similar across the world today … especially at a distance. We may have to go back to wearing colored armbands like the Germans and Russians did, in WWII, when both wore white in the winter snow … And I agree with Patrick … it's more realistic with an invasion from Mars …

It was a movie. It was entertaining. 'nuff said.

A Mars invasion would be a lot more realistic, but as a movie script, it's been done before.

You have to admit, the one thing a North Korean invasion and occupation of America would have going for it would be the element of… surprise.

So lemme get this straight: If I think Red Dawn is a ridiculous movie, it means I hate America? Just tryin' to define the boundaries here.

:)

The original premise wasn't so far-fetched. The Soviets detonated a number of EMP weapons in the upper atmosphere over North America, then immediately led a Warsaw Pact-aligned invasion of the US. The Cubans were part of that umbrella. Odds are, if the movie had explored other parts of the country, you would also have found DDR Germans, Hungarians, Poles, Czechoslovakians, Romanians, and even some Vietnamese (since they were enemies of Red China and owed the US a black eye). The rest of the story… well, it's modern fantasy, I'll grant you.

Back on topic, the uniforms above look Chinese, although they might be Singaporean. Definitely not North Korean, though. I believe they still wear either an olive drab or dun brown.

I guess dozens of Shaanxi Y-9's were more dramatic than 3 Il-76's or hundreds of An-2's?

Red Dawn was never meant to be realistic, it posed the centuries old question. 'What would you do, if facing an invasion, accept or resist?' The Cold war twist was essential, it had to be the US to have the impact the director wanted. If that meant creating a ludicrous plot so be it.

On that note, it is interesting to note how the film was received. I remember acres of liberal newsprint, using the movie as another weapon with which to bash the Reagan administration. Ostensibly, criticism of the movie was on cinematic grounds (acting. plot etc) but soon its political nature was apparent, openly appalled at its ideological bent, often counter to the reviewers. The same press though, were/are very adroit at using the, 'it's only a movie lighten up guys' or 'it's an untrue truth', when their ideology is front and centre to the plot, (often when it is not required) and relying on plots as ludicrous as Red Dawn.

if they want to do a remake of Red Dawn, they should focus on enemy from within instead of from without. We have dozens of groups who will in time will probably ally themselves with each other and try to take the country over with a faux rebellion.

" I remember acres of liberal newsprint, using the movie as another weapon with which to bash the Reagan administration. Ostensibly, criticism of the movie was on cinematic grounds (acting. plot etc) but soon its political nature was apparent, openly appalled at its ideological bent,"

What nonsense. As if liberals don't defend their country. Out of place here on TMP, too.

"…they should focus on enemy from within instead of from without. We have dozens of groups who will in time…"

Very true. As Sinclair Lewis said, "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross".

Sorry tuscaloosa that dog won't hunt. Most of my English relatives were proud Socialsts and most fought in WWII, some paying the ultimate sacrifice, so take your projection elsewhere please. I never defamed anyones patriotism, I specifically was talking about liberal reviewers in liberal papers, who judged the film mainly on its ideology, that most were proud to say offended them. The Uk's Observer newspaper had a whole page on the movie, showing yet again further evidence of US paranoia, a worrying love affir with guns blah blah blah and explicitly linked the film with the Reagan administrations policies/mindset and how dangerous that was.

Interesting you didn't comment on the Bush/Orwellian quote made by an earlier poster, which was far more politically acerbic and out of place, than my contribution.

Being a good 'liberal' I shunned the film and looked down, with a warm glow of moral superiority, on others who enjoyed it, though as a wargamer I did wonder, from the clips, how they got a T-72 and BMD's! Eventually I rented it and wondered what all the fuss was about. A rather comic tale that told a traditional story and posed a traditional question, and a bit disappointing too. I'd read articles about the realistic Afghan style ambushes and gritty depiction of war, what I got was firework RPG's, lots of teens shouting, some very unconvincing Spetsnaz, and some pretty crappy combat scenes. The depiction of Soviet tactical doctrine as 'realistically' portrayed as the German one in SPR.

To pass the seemingly arbitary, 'it has to be relevant' test I think a massive denial of server attack with possible EMP attacks combined would cripple most technologically advanced countries. Would you really then invade? Just exploit their global paralysis and have some 'fun', without having to watch over your shoulder.
They should make a TV series about that scenario, might educate people about the vulnerabilities of such an attack and the devastating consequences to normal life.

Well Dan, you certainly know how to stir up ant-nests!
That's your real hobby,isn't it?

In an ironic twist, didn't the guy on the far right of Dan's photo, play a corrupt son of an NK General in 'Die Another Day'?

No I think the guy second from right did.

Well, it seems in one thread the CA board is back! Good job gentlemen.

Red Dawn was very stupid, however it was fun. As a pre-teen when it came out, I have to admit it was what dreams were made of. What kid didn't pretend they were taking on a Hind gunship with a ak-47? The sad thing was the producers knew that most American movie goers were just too simple minded to grasp the notion of the historical stories of Afghan partisans vs Russians, Russian partisans vs Germans or God forbid, Vietnamese Partisans vs Americans.

Anyway, I wonder why the studio didn't keep the Chinese and just make 2 versions, much like Godzilla vs King Kong? Sell the "good" Chinese version in China and the "bad" Chinese version in India and Japan. Hell, a North Korean invasion is less likely than one by Godzilla.

So … the uniforms are Chinese then? :)

Dan

yep