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count zero99uk Inactive Member28 Jul 2012 6:52 a.m. PST

Hi all,

This could be a completely stupid thought or not.

I have recently been amazed by some of the projects i have found on Kickstarter. Zombie games, Scifi game and nice miniature sets.

The question ive been wondering about is if you back a Kickstarter project you are an investor. You are not buying the products they are producing. You are provided with the products by virtue of them being made and you are provided them as your one and only divedend/compensation.

Now the way i understand it you pay import duties on what you paid for the items. And as you havent they have no value. When i used to send fabric pattern books out we would put a minimal value on the package for this very purpose.

I was just wondering if anyone in the UK has completed a kickstarter project to the point where they have to product and can comment on what happend with HMRC.

Also id be grateful for anyone elses thoughts on this subject.

Take care

Unrepentant Werewolf 2 Inactive Member28 Jul 2012 9:48 a.m. PST

I've done all the Maps of Mystery kickstarters and HRMC haven't queried any of them

Personal logo Doms Decals Sponsoring Member of TMP Inactive Member28 Jul 2012 9:49 a.m. PST

No, doesn't work that way even if you technically didn't pay for the items (and let's face it, we all know that's a convenient fiction) they still have VALUE in HMRC's eyes (otherwise gifts would be VAT-exempt rather than merely having a slightly higher minimum threshhold.) They're still fully VATable, with the "correct" value being what they'd cost on the open market. Now you might "get away" with it, but (a) don't count on it, and (b) any other approach isn't, when you get right down to it, strictly legal….

doublesix6628 Jul 2012 11:02 a.m. PST

It will all depend on what they put on the customs label if they put the full value you may get stung, one reason I was happy to do the sedation wars kickstarter project as they are going to get all the European games imported themselves and ship them from the UK so no hassle with the customs for us.

I am wondering how the Dwarven kickstarter will be send as I have backed that so I'll just have my fingers crossed.

count zero99uk Inactive Member28 Jul 2012 11:23 a.m. PST

Aye, its teh dwarvern character set and the reaper bones ones im thinking off.

Stuart MM Inactive Member04 Sep 2012 2:47 p.m. PST

Sorry this is late but thought you might prefer it from a customs man.

The goods will have an intrinsic value irrespective of what agreement or understanding you have with the manufacturer. The sender will need to declare this value on their shipping documents when they send them to you.

Under customs law, you as the importer are legally responsible for the information on the declaration; so it is in your own interest to ensure that the sender abroad completes the declaration accurately and in full.

Anything with a declared intrinsic (i.e. less postage and packaging) value of less than £15.00 GBP will not attract import duty or import VAT. But do be aware that;

If no declaration is made, or the information is inaccurate, the package may be delayed while the Border Force make further enquiries, or in some cases the package and its contents may be returned to the sender or seized by the Border Force.

For reference the UK Border Force deal with parcel customs control whilst HMRC are the go between / policy seat. Mistakes or misdeclarations typically take several weeks to rectify.

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