"Traders Selling Flames of war early" Topic

Hi all

I'm on the mailing list of various web stores in the UK and one of them is Stafford games who I have dealt with on a few occasions and always found to be a good trader. However I was intrigued by a comment in their latest news letter.

Just to let you all know that we have just recieved our supply of Devil's Charge, the new FoW book covering The Battle of the Bulge, which isn't due for release until Saturday 14th July, so if you want to get your copy over a week early then get your order in now! Order here.

I was wondering how Stafford games are able to do this, I'm guessing they have the blessing of BF to ship out products early, but wonder why they can do it and no one seems to be doing the same?

was it FoW or FoG who allowed their retailers to sell a week or two before they accepted web sales, in a nod to the importance of bricks and mortar stores ?

I think it might have been FoW with their early war suppliment, but it could haave been something FoG, i know someone did last year.

I think Spartan games always list stuff on their own web store weeks after it has been on release. They always try to encourage you to use one of their stockist rather than them direct.

What's it to you anyway when a store has a particular item available? Presumably SG have the book already because they've ordered it and BF have seen fit to send it out to them!

Even GW let some of their larger independent stores have stuff early by way of a small helping hand.

I've dealt with Stafford Games on numerous occasions and have always found their service excellent. Friendly, helpful and quick delivery.

Perhaps you have some other agenda in raising this matter?

I've asked my LGS owner about this before and said that unless the vendor has made him sign an agreement not to sell before a certain date, he is under no obligation about when to put it on his shelves once he has paid for the product and it has been shipped to him and it is in his hands. To meet the "official" release date Battlefront oftens ships things a week or so in advance.

If Battlefront does not like this, they will make sure to calculate shipping time more sharply next time – with the danger to the shop that it does not arrive in time.

Or they are fine with it. Many companies do not adhere to "rules before sales", and it makes the customer happy…

@Gloria Smud

no other agenda, just curious, like I said in my original post I've used SG before and have never had a problem with them

it's the first time I've seen anyone offer to send out BF rules and figures before the official release date that's all and I noticed that the rest of the traders I buy off aren't doing this so thought I'd ask

What would the other agenda be Gloria?

As others have said, it depends on the agreement between the maker and the store.

Some makers have 'hard' street-dates, where the store can get into legal trouble for early sales (lots of movie and electronics places are in this boat).

Other places have 'soft' street-dates, where the store can sell the new product as soon as it arrives.

What would the other agenda be Gloria?

Good question, Stafford Games sell FOW huh? Do they do an SS Discount?

Pat

And here it goes again. Stop it already !

stop what? I merely wondered if he gave discounts on some of his wargames figures?

Pat

"Good question, Stafford Games sell FOW huh? Do they do an SS Discount?"

Only if you show your blood group tattoo;).

They got the books to sell early because they have signed the "Partnership scheme" with BF. This is one of the bonuses.

@Moomin Cage Fighter you are out of order with those snide remarks

Roland runs a good webstore and gives good customer service, so let's leave politics out of this discussion

@Gunny B thanks for the info, I didn't know BF had a partnership scheme, but if SG have joined it then it makes sense, do you know what else they get as part of the package?

mind you just being able to sell product before their competitors is a pretty good deal and will help sales

Roland runs a good webstore and gives good customer service, so let's leave politics out of this discussion.

Do his ?

Pat

MikeHobbs wrote:

Roland runs a good webstore and gives good customer service, so let's leave politics out of this discussion

If you think a trader's politics are irrelevant to your purchasing decisions then feel free to ignore them.

Other people obviously disagree.

Ohh, THAT Stafford Games?

Now I see why MikeHobbs found my post Out of Order! How embarrasing!

I would never want to contribute to another thread about this gentleman and his political affiliations, 'cos that would be very, very wrong of me.

Pat

Well, stop it then. Politics are banned on TMP, and should not form part of this thread.

Unless that is you are going to vet EVERY supplier of wargames products for their political allegiance and act accordingly.

Witch hunts are not appropriate in this case IMO

Yes, I agree Marc – stop mentioning Politics, Marc and Mike, you bad people.

Pat

Yes.
Stop being beastly.
Witches have rights too.
You shouldn't hunt them.
I'm sure the Hunting Act 2004 has something to say about it.
People misunderstand witches.
They say they've changed over the years. They aren't the caricature of evil that society paints them as. They just want to live their lives and make an honest potion the same as anyone else.
Just because some witches may have done terrible things in the past doesn't mean we should judge them all by those despicable acts.
Sure, witches may dress up in funny clothes and have odd ceremonies at full moon, but who amongst us hasn't made the odd blood sacrifice now and then?
We should just celebrate diversity and give them all a big cuddle to let them know we all love them really.
I'm with Marc.
Witch hunts are not appropriate.
Whoever is carrying them out.

Gwydion wrote:

They aren't the caricature of evil that society paints them as.

Is that not what's called a "white witch"? We certainly shouldn't go hunting them.

Absolutely

ok this thread has been derailed – thanks all

The problem here is that it is not so much about politics as about personal views which many find abhorrent.

I am lost??????

what the….

Tim Haslam wrote:

I am lost??????

TMP link

'Ello Tim! Long Time No speak! Still playing WAB?

Pat

Pat, the problem i have with this every time is that the BNP is a legally recognised political party under UK law, therefore it feels strange to continually harass one guy for his views. Don't buy off him yourself, fine, I can understand that. But unless every traders' political affiliations are discussed it is not a level playing field. if SG brought that political leaning into their business then maybe there would be more validity tomake these sorts of comments, but if they are just selling games then I remain unconvinced.

I do not condone in any shape or form the BNP, but it seems wrong to me to continually bring this up for Stafford Games. Especially on TMP which theorectically does not allow politics – that is the Blue Fez I believe.

If you don't want your political leanings brought into your business it might be a good idea not to stand as a candidate in a general election.

Particularly for a party that arouses such strong emotions.

Colin – it does not offend me, as I dislike the BNP equally, but I do not feel this is the place for it.

Had to do a google search to find pout what was what but trhe election results were up there for all to see
Actually I think he will fut fight in with ther new BF regime

"Arbeit macht frei"

Hi All,

I have been following this thread with interest and would like to clarify a couple of things.

I joined the BNP about five years ago and left about a year ago. I joined because at that time, having read all of the parties manifesto's, their policies were the closest to my views and please note I am talking about their policies not what individuals within the party my think either now or in the past.

I left about a year ago for a number of reason's the main one being the increasing obsession with Islam which I disagree with.

I am very willing to answer any questions any of you may have either here, by e-mail or at any show.

Roland

THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THIS !

Oi, no religion, that's against Forum rules you know!

(Oh, and where is 'The Place' Gloria? Staffordshire?)

Pat

What the… I don't even have a Blue Fez membership, and the current affairs boards were nuked years ago.

What in the name of all that is holy is going on here!?!

I don't have time to answer all of your questions at the moment but will later but will cover the NF question.

I joined in about 1975 at the age of 16 when the EEC referendum was taking place, they seemed to be the only party that opposed the EEC which I did and still do so I joined.

I was a member for about two years and then left and yes I did meet Martin Webster once!

Sorry fellow TMPers but occasionally …

Moomin I am not in the slightest bit interested in Your political opinions. Even if I may agree with some of them. This site is about Miniatures not Politics.

I also couldn't care less if you are a gay,lesbian,catholic, marxist-leninist, tree-hugging vegan. or the opposites.

If I was I'd go on a site that was related to them.

At the risk of appearing rude why don't you take your self opinionated, self-righteousness and off to another site.

BTW I think you'll find Staffordshire is quite a big county with a very diverse population.
It was also the the location of the very last burning for heresy in England in 1612.

And he was called Wightman ;-)

Wightman ;-)

amusing because?

90+ stifles let me be #92

Feel Free!

SO, Who is selling FOW early and is it cheaper?

So Colin – Roland is now no longer to have quit either? He is to be tarnished forever – yet I have never even met him. I don't know if he is "reformed" or not. Or maybe he still has right wing views. yet we have a right wing party in power now, and I did not vote for them, and find a lot of what they stand for is personally odius to me.

But is a person to be continually harrassed after leaving a party, without is knowing the facts. Did none of us do stupid things when younger? Or when older for that matter (somebody voted for the tories after all). Can nobody repent and be forgiven anymore?

Has every part of the UK eradicated racism – the police, the army, the workplace. Is the US free of racism?

So why don't you and Roland chat at a show, off air as it where, and see where you get to?

And is this still a FoW thread :-)

Quote from Colinjallen

Well Roland, you are either terribly naive, poor at finding out rather well known information, or maybe not quite telling us the whole story.

The way that you tell it, it seems like you ended up joining both the NF and BNP without actually realising what they are about.

Still, I guess that you are entitled to your opinions, .

Mind you, of course I would not be here in that situation anyway as my partner would be "asked to leave" as she is one of those nasty immigrants, and I would go with her.'End of quote (sorry don't know how 'quote' properly)

Colin, to a degree you are right I was perhaps a little naive and didn't know everything when joining the party but then very few people do, I probably still don't know everything but know enough to have left.

Hmm, . What is strange to me is how this has turned into a witch hunt, which feels like a thing that TMP was not set up for, and against a person for which I do not actually genuinely know what they truly believe. So I seem to have ended up in a weird position of defending that person, when all I guess I was asking for was moderation on a wargaming website against a person who none of us appear to know personally. But asinine – not sure I agree with that, sorry.

Smoke and mirrors Roland.

He turned me into a newt. How does he get to sell things early if he goes around turning people into newts.

Odd set of deletes.

What offence 'No need to apologise Colin, Well said sir!' causes once the original post has been deleted I have no idea.

In addition, I thought Colin was probably sailing a bit close to the wind as defined on here in one or two things -but not in what he actually got called on:

Colinjallen has been 'dawghoused' for 'politics'-

Of course, the leader of the party to which said individual belongs, and for which he stood as a candidate, is on record as saying that no such thing ever happened and has never publicly retracted that statement

But I thought comment on politics was okay as long as we were talking more than ten years ago?

That comment refers to holocaust denial by Nick Griffin from 1997. Check Wikipedia – in this case dead right, and outside the time barrier.

"I probably still don't know everything but know enough to have left."

Our hero.