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generaljl Inactive Member01 Jul 2012 1:35 p.m. PST

I am new to the battlefront rules. I am sending units out to be painted and I wanted to know about how many stands of Infantry are needed for the Americans, Germans, British and Russians. Also how many stands of US Airborne, German Paratroopers, and British Red Devils. BAsic rifle trrops not support. I am looking to play normal size games not skirmish.n

MajorB01 Jul 2012 1:42 p.m. PST

and I wanted to know about how many stands of Infantry are needed

"Each miniature or stand represents a squad of men, specialized team, or 2-3 vehicles or guns."

"The rules are designed so that each player can handle one or two maneuver elements (a maneuver element is roughly a company)."
link

OK, so then go here:
bayonetstrength.150m.com

Personal logo PzGeneral Supporting Member of TMP01 Jul 2012 1:43 p.m. PST

May I suggest checking here: link

The Flames of War website has many briefings that will help you out. They have complete TO&Es for the combatants….

Dave

Jemima Fawr01 Jul 2012 1:44 p.m. PST

Sorry to ask, but with so many similarly-named games and companies around it pays to be sure;

Are you asking about the 'Battlefront: WW2' rules by Fire & Fury Games? If so I'll happily answer your question, but you should find most of your questions already answered at the website fireandfury.com

Sorry I can't provide any specific links from here, but the work computer blocks me from going to any sites with 'games' in the title. There are pages on getting started and there's a discussion forum, as well as heaps of army lists, historical orbats and scenarios which will include yet more historical orbats.

Jemima Fawr01 Jul 2012 1:48 p.m. PST

Heh, sure enough, the confusion had started before I even finished my reply! :o)

Just to be clear:

'Flames of War' is a game by Battlefront Miniatures.
'Battlefront: WWII' is a game by Fire & Fury Games.

There is also a game called 'Battleground: WW2' and a maker of computer wargames called 'Battlefront'…

Ain't it great. :o)

generaljl Inactive Member01 Jul 2012 1:48 p.m. PST

Yes, Battlefront by Fire and Fury

Jemima Fawr01 Jul 2012 2:05 p.m. PST

Cool, in that case get over onto the forum. They're nice chaps, but watch out for that bloke who uses my name…

I'm guessing you're looking at late war 1944-45? Here's some British company organisations to start you off. I won't include support elements, but do note that all of these would frequently have all sorts of things attached to them from battalion, brigade, division or higher level:

British Infantry Company:

1x Commander
9x Infantry (1 with PIAT)
1x 2-inch Mortar

British Para Company:

1x Commander
9x Infantry (up to 3 with PIAT)
1x 2-inch Mortar (though they had access to more if they wanted them)

British Airlanding (glider) Company:

1x Commander
12x Infantry (2 with PIAT)
2x 2-inch Mortar
(note that this is open to some debate – some sections were re-designated as 'scouts' and given extra Brens – I can't remember the details here now)

British Motor Company:

1x Commander
1x 2-inch Mortar
1x White Scout Car or M5 Halftrack
9x Infantry (1 with PIAT)
3x M5 Halftrack
2x Infantry (1 with PIAT) Scout Platoon
1x Bren LMG Scout Platoon
1x 2-inch Mortar Scout Platoon
4x Universal Carrier with MG Scout Platoon

Commando Troop (i.e. Company equivalent):

1x Commander
4x Infantry (1 with PIAT)
1x Bren LMG or Vickers 'K' Gun
1x 2-inch Mortar

Note that I (and all the people I play with) slightly increase the transport capacity of most vehicles, so for example the White Scout Car above can transport 2 instead of the usual 1 and the halftrack can transport 3 instead of 2. It's a personal choice, but we like it better that way and it saves a whole lot of money and painting!

Each stand typically has 2 figures, but I'm starting to re-organise mine to conform to a friend's system that I like. He puts 3 figures to a 30mm square base for infantry squads and 2 figures to a 25mm square base for commanders, LMGs, 2-inch mortars, etc. Heavier weapons such as MMGs, 3-inch mortars, etc get 2-3 figures on a 30mm square base.

Jemima Fawr01 Jul 2012 2:13 p.m. PST

I'll also add the Infantry Battalion Carrier Platoon, as it was virtually a company in its own right:

1x Commander
2x Infantry (both with PIAT)
2x Bren LMG
2x 2-inch Mortar
7x Universal Carriers with MG

From approx August 1944 onward; may replace 3x Carriers, 1x Infantry, 1x Bren & 1x 2-inch Mortar with 3x Wasp.

I must admit that I usually reduce this to 5x Carriers and allow the 2-inch mortars to ride with another element. It better reflects the historical organisation of 4x sections plus HQ. In that case, the Wasp option would only be 2 Wasps.

generaljl Inactive Member01 Jul 2012 2:30 p.m. PST

Thnak you for your help

Jemima Fawr01 Jul 2012 2:35 p.m. PST

No worries. As I said, get over to the BF:WWII forum and you'll find everything you need, as well as good guys who will offer their advice.

If you're in the UK, we'll be doing a game at Bovington Tank Museum next weekend (7/8 July), which you're welcome to join.

Griefbringer01 Jul 2012 2:46 p.m. PST

As for the US/German/Soviet organisation charts, those tend to be quite well covered in the original rulebook.

Historicalgamer01 Jul 2012 4:34 p.m. PST

Anyone interested in buying these rules and card sets can email me at historicalgamer@aol.com. I have a complete set looking for a home.

Keith

R Brown01 Jul 2012 7:51 p.m. PST

JL,

Let me know where to send all your "lead".

;-)

Robert

Jemima Fawr02 Jul 2012 8:02 a.m. PST

Right, back at my home computer now. Here are some basic Russian, US and German organisations, as well as info on basing:

fireandfury.com/faq.shtml

Heaps of orbats here:

link

Over 100 scenarios here, with a ton of historical orbats:

link

And the forum is here:

link

BF Andy02 Jul 2012 8:10 a.m. PST

British Airborne lists currently being re written along with the 1940 French and Belgian lists.
Oh and I have some early war Scenarios to add as well.

kevanG01 Aug 2012 2:01 a.m. PST

Andy,

IS there any ETA on the belgian lists? or even a provisional chasseurs one?
I am getting some more belgians at the weekend!

BF Andy01 Aug 2012 4:16 a.m. PST

Belgian Infantry Division is already posted, the Chasseurs is sort of ready, its just getting tidied up.
If you want i can send it provisionally.

kevanG01 Aug 2012 4:49 a.m. PST

yes please…its chasseurs I am getting.

Ive sent an e mail…check spam coz its hotmail

PilGrim02 Aug 2012 1:53 a.m. PST

Andy – I've lost your email with the orbats – can you resend please?

Ken

Jemima Fawr02 Aug 2012 5:02 a.m. PST

Andy's Belgian lists are here: PDF link

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