Tango01  | 30 Jun 2012 12:32 p.m. PST |
Interesting floating tank from 1931.
Sad he was not successfull because it would be great to see them at "D" Day.
Clik to enlarge the pictures. link Guess that nobody made them as miniatures. Amicalement
Armand |
| Jemima Fawr | 30 Jun 2012 1:48 p.m. PST |
Dutch East Indies Army (KNIL) also had a single platoon of them. |
| wargamer6 | 30 Jun 2012 1:55 p.m. PST |
The Chinese Nationalists had 29 Vickers amphibious tanks in the Shanghai battles with the Japanese in 1938. I love your taste for the unsual Tango, you have come up with some rare gems over the years. cheers. link
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 20thmaine | 30 Jun 2012 2:14 p.m. PST |
It's a lovely tank – would have been a hopeless death trap in 1944 though ! |
| MajorB | 30 Jun 2012 2:16 p.m. PST |
Not quite the right vehicle, but probably close enough:
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| Kaoschallenged | 30 Jun 2012 2:17 p.m. PST |
"Sad he was not successfull because it would be great to see them at "D" Day." Why would it be great? What use would they be? Especially if they were only MG armed.How would you go about using them in a D-day scenario? Which beach(es) would you use them on? Only those used by the UK?. Or the US ones? Do you think they would be better then the DD Shermans? "It's a lovely tank – would have been a hopeless death trap in 1944 though !" Exactly. "The British Army found the vehicle mechanically unreliable, as the suspension weak and prone to damage easily."
link Chinese
Dutch
Vickers-Carden-Loyd Light Tanks in the Netherlands East Indies
by
Jacques Jost
from TRACKLINK, 31 May 1994
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Robert
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| MajorB | 30 Jun 2012 2:43 p.m. PST |
Sad he was not successfull because it would be great to see them at "D" Day. No need. By then the Allies has the Sherman DD:
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| GarrisonMiniatures | 30 Jun 2012 3:11 p.m. PST |
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| Kaoschallenged | 30 Jun 2012 3:23 p.m. PST |
"It's noted in David Fletcher's book "Mechanised Force" that the C-L tankettes could be quite dangerous to drive because of the tendency to reverse steer. This most often happens when trying to turn going downhill – the declutched track overruns the braked track turning the tankette in the opposite direction to the intended. From Fletcher's book "On one occasion when the 3rd Battalion was moving from Lydd to Lulworth by road there were a number of such incidents, usually in hilly towns and invariably involving shop windows". link |
| Dave Jackson | 30 Jun 2012 5:50 p.m. PST |
True North made (makes?) A Carden Loyd, can use it as a chassis for conver |
| number4 | 30 Jun 2012 6:58 p.m. PST |
It's not a tank!
It is a scout car on tracks….immediate ancestor of the Bren carrier and great grandaddy of the CVR(T) scorpion series. |
| Tango01 | 30 Jun 2012 10:24 p.m. PST |
Robert… so many questions!. (smile). Amicalement
Armand |
| Druzhina | 30 Jun 2012 10:38 p.m. PST |
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| Kaoschallenged | 30 Jun 2012 11:05 p.m. PST |
Yes there are Tango :). So? What is your view on why they would have been great on D-Day? Here is another link for the Vickers-Carden-Loyd Light Tanks in the Netherlands East Indies article by Jacques Jost I posted above, link From the Overvalwagens site,
"In 1942, at the time of the Japanese assault on the Netherlands East Indies,one of the two K.N.I.L. amphibious tanks was out of service, the other one was deployed (together with two Vickers-Carden-Loyd light tanks) on
Western-Borneo, where it was lost in the fighting."
link Robert |
| Martin Rapier | 01 Jul 2012 10:02 a.m. PST |
The Carden-Loyd tankette is a quite different vehicle to the CL light (amphibious) tank. link link |
| hurrahbro | 01 Jul 2012 3:46 p.m. PST |
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| Tango01 | 01 Jul 2012 3:59 p.m. PST |
Sometimes, by writting is difficult to show what we are talking about.
So, it deserves more explanations.
Robert, I like this vehicle, don't know why, but it's ugly-beautifull for me.
So, as it was a floating "tank" came to my mind the "D" day with dozens of them advancing against the Atlantic Wall (as a wargame of course).
Any comparison from my part with the Shermans. They were there and made their task. ok with them.
At the end of the thale, it was only a phrase about what interesting would be imho a wargame of "D" Day with those Carden-Loyd if they were or not at the landing on the beaches of Normandy. As always, many thanks for your guidance and data. Amicalement
Armand |
| Kaoschallenged | 01 Jul 2012 4:09 p.m. PST |
Thanks for that Tango. In a war game sense I guess that you should also have to take into account the odds of the vehicles getting swamped like the DD Shermans did. Being smaller I think they would have been easier to have been. They may look pretty on a game table but IMO wouldn't have been useful. Robert |
| Tango01 | 01 Jul 2012 10:03 p.m. PST |
Agree with you my friend. Amicalement
Armand |
| 20thmaine | 02 Jul 2012 3:53 a.m. PST |
I like this vehicle, don't know why, but it's ugly-beautifull for me.
There is something very attractive about "clunky" tanks (and not just tanks – armoured cars and aeroplanes as well). As designers struggle with the new technology and what can be done right now with what they'd like to be able to do tomorrow they often come up with some weird solutions. Once the proper solution has been worked out everything looks kind of the same – good for the users, dull for the human eye. |
looks at some new terrain products, which use space age technology!
