"TMP's Political Temperament " Topic

Based off this thread:
TMP link
As a Green {Economic Left/Right: -7.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.08}
I tend to think of TMP as just slightly Right of center
(and that is the USA's 'center'', which is considerably right of the world's)

Bill seems to feel that TMP is comfortably even across the Political Spectrum
(But, of course: Bill is 'Slightly Conservative'.. <grin> )
he Eveb says:

I think we had a poll (a long, long time ago)
which showed relative balance between right and left among TMP members.
Can't find it now that I want to check it out, though…

Time for a Re-Poll!!
So what Are You….?
politicalcompass.org

1) I'm a Fascist, and darn Proud of it!

2) I'm Far Right, and I Think of the Children!

3) I'm Comfortably Conservative, and Proudly right.

4) I'm leaning Right, but not enough to fight about it…

5) I'm a Centrist, w/ maybe a few conservative biases

6) Right or Left misses the point:
I am Proudly libertarian!!

7) I'm so apolitical, my car doesn't have Turn signals!!

8) I'm a radical Centrist!

9) Right or Left misses the point:
a Populist Consensus is only rational!

10) I'm a Centrist, w/ maybe a few liberal biases

12) I lean Left, butt just for the Hippie Chicks!

13) I'm Happily Left, and Perfectly progressive in every way!

11) I'm a Socialist, and you should be Too!!

12) Comrade!!!

Please Notice!!!

This Poll is _not_ about Politics per se,
but Rather the flavor of the Political Mix here on TMP:
There is no right or wrong (or Right or Left!!) for this Poll.
only the Spectrum!!!

Let us all try to keep electioneering to the Fezz, where it mostly Works!

I'm a Nestorian, and I can lick any damned Monophysite in the joint!

the OFM for the Win!

anarcho-facist. I'm a walking contradiction

YouTube link

A lot of the questions were false choices and characterizations so I don't think this does a good job of reflecting my views.

I was +1 on the horizontal -2.62 on the vertical.

They got one thing right though, no professional politicians are near me.

I have always considered myself a marxist, somewhere between Karl and Harpo.

"I'm a drunkard"-Rick, Casablanca

I can't stand politicians.

liberal

I vote in all elections because it is a freedom too many have died for (and still die for throughout the world) but otherwise I try to steer completely clear of politics ('Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's' sort of thing).

I'll have a #4 with a side of pork fried rice, please.

I was over in the top center of the light green box. I did the test twice taking a harder stance on some items than the 1st time and still ended up there. I'm in Gahndi's area.

On TMP I generally avoid all political stuff.

Aren't fascists on the Left? I mean, they were National Socialists…

Why don't we simplify this to:

Right
Centrist
Left
apolitical
other (explain)

Right

Volstagg Sayeth->

{Yes I am aware: Kettle->Black!
My Hope is that the likely increase in my stifle count and potential dawghousing (unlikely I think: I'm coloring inside the Lines carefully here)
will be worth it to cross-correlate the data of these two polls
(even if the Implications are only discussed on Blue Fezz

Amd So--->
May I introduce you to the Blue Fezz Ventilation on this Topic:
""So What Are the Implications of Ovine Aviation…?" Topic"
thebluefez.com/msg.mv?id=7783
Please do Head There for _actual_ political reflection on these polls.

(For those Unaware: {Plug!}
The Blue Fezz is TMP's sister site for "controversial" topics,
such as the Implications of This Very poll!!
If Interested, PM Bill for Full & Free access to the roly-poll-ey Ride
{end Plug!}

I am an erudite contrarian who laughs in the face of political correctness. Then I shut my door in their face.

Strange women lying in ponds handing out swords is no basis for a system of government.

I love Python

YouTube link

Bill Asketh--->

Why don't we simplify this to:
Right
Centrist
Left
apolitical
other (explain)

Because:
1) That isn't Funny enough ( Rule Of Funny ) link
2) It is a horrifically misleading oversimplification
( False Dichotomy link
politicalcompass.org/index
thebluefez.com/msg.mv?id=417
thebluefez.com/msg.mv?id=3790

Bare minimum would require( IMO anyway):
Apolitical
Authoritarian Right
Authoritarian Left
Libertarian Left
Libertarian Right
Centrist

But (sadly) That violates Rule 1: it isn't Funny!!
(plus: its too close to the border of "Real Politic's" for me,
supplicant that I am,
to tread without Grave Trepidation of DerDawgenHauser!)

Other…..Canadian.

I also agree with Tuudawgs.

Shouldn't this be on the Utter Drivel Board?

Cheers,
JohnG

This is the second time I have used Political Compass as a result of a post and link here on TMP. The last time was about four years back (hmmm, coincidence of timing? ) and I came away from that with a -5.something Economic and a -4.something Social (Libertarian/Authoritarian) rating.

Today when I took it I got a -7.88 and a -5.69…I am becoming an "Aging Hippie" I guess HUGE .

So…I think that means I need to choose #13 from the OP, but I don't know if I am "Happily left" and Hippie Chicks scare me.

I am more left and more anarchistic than Gandhi and the Dalai Lama according to their scales!!! That must be why I will play against folks who don't paint their minis and willingly modify the rules if they don't make sense…

Andy Welkley
"Your Phrendlee Hevy Phyzx T-chrr"

Number four.

"Why don't we simplify this to:"

But that is the point of the political compass, it isn't a simple left-right axis.

anarchists have lots in common with right wing libertarians.

the authoritarian left and authoritarian right also make happy bedfellows.

Anway, it is a few years since I did the political compass and some of my responses this time were rather more right wing and authoritarian than in the past however I still come out to the left to the Dalai Lama and rather more libertarian too, so no great surprises there then.

How many questions can they ask about market failure and externalities though…. recognising that markets fail in mathematically predictable ways does not make you a communist.

I listen to both sides of an argument and make an informed decision.
I don't vote party like.

I'm a apolitical case. Don't like any of it.

where is the Hereditary Monarchist with Militaristic Orientation?

I got stuck a bit left and a bit higher than Thatcher. Makes sense.

I'm a 6 in truth. But if I didn't have to care about reality I'm an Anarcho-Fascist too. (Anarchy for me, Fascism for thee)

Nelson Mandela calls me a hippie

As before, I find the answers to the questions questions too restrictive. Not being an absolutist on very many of the topics left me near center in the upper right quad. And supposedly more fiscally conservative than social. Don't know me very well.

Of course the reality is that I vote and lean conservative because I don't trust anybody (that is not family or clergy) that much. Liberals are the ones who want to take total control of the world.

Some conservatives do to, but they don't push as hard or as quickly.

goragrad~~~~>

. Liberals are the ones who want to take total control of the world.

Some conservatives do to, but they don't push as hard or as quickly.

goragrad~~~~>
My pithy response Fezzed for your protection Here:
{19 Jun 2012 6:04 a.m. PST}
thebluefez.com/msg.mv?id=7784

As before, I find the answers to the questions questions too restrictive. Not being an absolutist on very many of the topics left me near center in the upper right quad. And supposedly more fiscally conservative than social. Don't know me very well.

Yeah; all these tests show a certain shall we say….predisposition.
Some try to compensate (politicalcompass),
some where it proudly on their sleeves (worlds shortest political quiz).

Try this one & see what you think:
link
It allows for some finer granulation (same basic idea though)

I'm a Socialist and I'm O.K.
I pay my dues to the DSA
YouTube link

National socialists are not socialists, Bill. They used the term because it was in vogue as the NDSAP was starting. It did have a leftist, anti-capitalist, contingent which bit the big one on the night of the long knives. US nazis take pains to explain that they are "race socialists" and not economic socialists. Socialists favor organized labor, internationalism (there is a reason why our anthem is the Internationale), pacifism and multi-culturalism. At one time we favored economic planning but that doesn't work. I believe the Nazis still haven't gotten the word on that. Nazis favor monopoly or crony capitalism.

I made my mind up to be deliberately centralist. Centralists are the most dangerous voters there are. In my country it is said that 15% of the people determine an election. They are the people that will swing their vote either way depending on how they think the people they are voting for are performing. Political party has nothing to do with it for a centralist. You vote on performance.
Similarly in other aspects of life one can sway to issues one agrees with, without having to accept a whole package of being left, or right wing, radical etc. One can be a socialist on one issue and a capitalist on another! You dont have to be undecided or sitting on the fence, you simply go with what you agree with and think is right.

Oh…and I NEVER let political or commercial propaganda and advertising determine my thinking.

favor monopoly or crony capitalism.

Understandably you are reading the record so as to put the maximum distance between a movement you believe in and one which revolts you. This has given you a false picture. National Socialism is called that for good reason, they believed in 'from each according to his abilities to all, represented by the state and ultimately the state's leader's will, according to need'. Most kinds of socialism achieve their redistribution of wealth by directing the economy and or placing means of production in the hands of the state. National Socialists did it by simply erasing property rights, or indeed any kind of individual rights. They did not have crony capitalism, in crony capitalism the capitalists own their businesses, their property is protected against incursion by the state by a network of rights, under National Socialism you may direct a business and gain great material rewards for doing so but you don't own anything. It would be more accurate to see Capitalists under National Socialism as bureaucrats functioning in an incentive program.

So it's a peculiar kind of socialism but not a different thing. This doesn't make it appropriate to tar modern European socialism with the same brush as National Socialism.

The larger difference between National Socialism and other kinds is the 'National' part, as you say most socialism is internationalist and inclusive. National Socialism was nationalist, going as far as to equate nation with irrational ideas about race.

monarchist: long live our robot overlords.

I have political opinions, and they're none of your bleeping business.

@T Meier We are getting into Fez territory. My link to the Fez no longer works. It is just as well, because I found myself writing to the Fez instead of writing to my Senators and Representative.

How do I paint black Nazi uniforms so that they look interesting?
link

We are getting into Fez territory

I was trying to keep to simple definitions and concepts, not make value judgements. I realize political arguments are frequently about investing words with different meanings. A lot of disagreements seem to me like people speaking different languages without realizing it. In this case I though it was pretty plain the definition of socialism, which is pretty broad when unqualified, has to include the idea of making all wealth available to the people as represented by the state without recourse. I don't see how you can exclude it and keep the definition of socialism intact. I don't see or intend it as a political point but a semantic one.

We are getting into Fez territory.

No, this thread started there. But apparently those rules don't matter anymore.

I still haven't figured this out.

I won't say anything about current neo-Nazis but in the 1970s US neo-Nazis came from the right end of the political spectrum. The original Nazi movement was very friendly towards (non Jewish) business owners, while dismantling the trade unions and worker movements.

As of this date 10 years ago the left idolized Che Guevara in an appalling lack of consideration for historical reality. The man was a bloody handed tyrant. But the left has never idolized Hitler. People who held views once common on the right about homosexuality, the Communist bloc, Jews, and the military found common ground with the Nazi wannabees in the US.

Your point, T Meier, was discussed in a Democratic Socialists of America seminar last year. We decided that stae ownership of the means of production does not equal socialism, although the semantic point wasn't stated as well as you have done.

As of this date 10 years ago the left idolized Che Guevara in an appalling lack of consideration for historical reality.

"Recent politics are not allowed. [POLITICS RULE]"

Careful, everyone…

Where do I vote for Ming?