"Ae Dust figures the same as AT-43 figures?" Topic

It seems like at least some of the walkers are identical. Are they the same molds? Do the infantry use the same molds also? Is there a comparison anywhere of which Dust figures are the same as which AT-43 figures?

No. The conceptual artist is the same (Paulo Parente), but none of the miniatures are the same.

Dust and AT43 share their basic concept, but went through different paths that separated them definitely. They do have the same designers and sculptors (partially), and to a certain point the same producers, yet are totally different ranges, like WHB and WH40k. Neither the infantry, nor the armoured walkers are made from the same molds, now they are of the same scale.

That being said, I think some of the UNA troopers could be used as-is for DUST… From what I understand, they're bassed on WW2 German Fallschirmjäger anyway.

Someone should do a Dust-AT43 mod so that they're completely crossover-compatible. I'd love to use the Red Blok walkers in Dust Tactics/Dust Warfare, which limits SSU to helos and smaller battlesuits.

None are the same. The walkers are totally different. As Cherno said, you could proxy some of the AT-43 possibly, but they don't look very WWII.

@minigamer,

I will post some pictures of my unpainted Dust and prepainted At-43 walkers and figures when I get home. I have nothing like a complete set but I can show you a few of them.

A freind and i did a comparison between the two sets of figures and despite one being sci-fi and the other set being WW2 inspired they are very compatible with each other .
If you can get over the non WW2 look of the weapons and perhaps even the uniforms then the figures make an ideal source for figures . Particularly the Red Blok for SSU.
If one takes a look at the DUST world map it would not take much to imagine the AT43 figures coming from one of the occupied or allied countries for thier respective faction.
cheers Tom

On the now defunct AT-43 forum they had some concept images of some Oni troopers that are identical to a German laser trooper set in the Dust range, sadly I have no pictures to offer as proof!

They aren't identical really but they are pretty similar. (Not my pictures). (Top: Dust Axis Laser Grenadiers; Bottom: ONI CORPS UN)

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Here are some AT-43 and Dust mechs and troops. Hope they are useful, even if they are a bit blurry.

The AT-43 are UNA Steel troopers, two UNA mechs, two Red Blok mechs, and a Red Block powered armor.

The Dust stuff is one medium Axis mech, two Light Axis mechs, One light Allied Mech, and some examples of power armored and normal Axis and Allied troops.

@28mm Fanatik

Yes it would be nice if there were rules either for dust models in AT-43 or the converse. Doubt it will happen though as neither systems have a "design your own" element to them.

There are a lot of games out there that would allow you to design your own stats so you could play the games together. Take your pick!

Personally I'm waiting for the sci-fi adaptation of Victory Decision – which I'll use for all my 28mm needs including Dust/AT-43.

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-Tim

AT43 was suppose to be "Alternate Timeline 1943", but something happened and the deal fell apart. That kinda explains why you have "Space America" and "Space Soviet Union" in AT43.

I think anyways

In AT-43 there is also:

A race of computer linked skeletal robotic aliens with amazing Godlike technology (including building Dyson spheres and moving stars around) who still kind of suck at warfare, who are evolved from post singularity Humans from Earth, and who SEEDED the planet AVA (where the humans in the game come from) with life so they would somehow make destroying the planet for resource gathering easier. Or something. (Therians)

Genetically engineered gorillas created by the robotic aliens as military agents, who fight in aircraft and powered armor. (Karmans)

Cloned grey type aliens almost as advanced as the robotic aliens, who were losing a war with the robotic aliens but rallied and then got stymied a bit by the gorillas. (Cogs)

A ruthless mercenary and manufacturing Avan human mega-coporation that exists only to spread a sentient disease and who revivify the dead into cheap soldiers. (Oni)

There's almost always a space america and space soviet union :)

the laser wefer and oni guys are the best match.

I remember that when Rackham started planning AT-43 it was based on some comic book or whatever it was. There seems to have been some sort of disagreement with the original author/artist and it became AT-43 instead.

Is Dust perhaps based on the same thing? (I have no idea, and didn't follow the discussions. At the time it seemed ridiculous to think that Confrontation would go the route of prepainted plastic &%¤.)

@Henrix: originally, AT43 was supposed to be Dust Tactics, but there were some disagreements that resulted in Rackham losing the rights to make a Dust miniatures game.

That's what led to the development of the Therians, COGs and ONI. The Kamans were a spin-off from Parente's uplifted gorilla-soldiers.

AT43 was suppose to be "Alternate Timeline 1943"

No.
It is After the Trauma, in fact forty-three years later. The Trauma was the awakening of the Therian constructs on Ava and 43 years later the Therians show up in the Solar system. I feel like such a geek that I know that.

But the game originally WAS 'Alternate Timeline 1943' – I can remember the original press releases, which scares me. It got changed to 'After Trauma 43' later.

-Will

Thanks, Lion!

wminsing 06 Jun 2012 1:42 p.m. PST

But the game originally WAS 'Alternate Timeline 1943' – I can remember the original press releases, which scares me. It got changed to 'After Trauma 43' later

Indeedy. I'm still not entirely sure if I ever recall hearing why the change had to be made but that is how it went down. The very first AT-43 concept art previews were also very much Weird World War Two style stuff. There was a German powerarmoursuitrobotmechawhatsit with an obvious Panzerfaust at least, maybe something else too tho can't exactly recall what.

But as to the OP, it's like several others have already said: AT-43 minis aren't the same as Dust Tactics minis although they might well be made by the same people for all I know. One of the notable differences in vehicle model design, aside of obvious aesthetic differences, is that many if not all UNA and Red Bloc walkers in AT-43 have a cockpit inside while the DT minis don't seem to have one.

Yes, it was designed as a WWWII game, but the people at Rackham felt a Sci-Fi game might be the better option. This caused Paolo Parente to quit and start Dust.

And here I thought I was in on the beginning of that game. Thanks for the background. Now where can I get some of the ONI corps pictured above?

I'm not entirely sure if the ONI troopers pictured in paleoramus' post on 05 Jun 2012 1:43 p.m. PST ever became available. Weren't in the army box for certain as we've got two of those. For infantry, Noble Knight Games only lists Zombie Detonators Unit Box (no ONI stuff is available there, I think your best bet is eBay):
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Already looked and can't find any. Those troopers do look nice. Thanks TNJRP