| Ligny 1815 | 04 Jun 2012 12:00 p.m. PST |
Hi guys, I just started with WW2 so I'm a real noob concerning uniforms.
Napoleonics for me but I managed to paint some Artizan Late Germans and it was really fun to paint these instead of those fiddly diddly Napoleonic uniforms.A welcome distraction.However… I'm planning to make a diorama with the 101st at Carentan.Yep,on a roll now!
To be honest I tried several (Vallejo) colours but I'm not satisfied with the result.
Been searching the web for hours and always get different results (on the uniformcolour).I tried German Camo Beige 70.821 (Artizan guide)and checked the BA painting offer to see which colour they use.I compared the paints with the Band of Brothers serie but it's different.
So…who's right,who's wrong?
Some help would be welcome.
I'll try to post some pics of my sample figs (3 different colours). Hope my English is alright, Greetings from Belgium, Kurt. |
| sma1941 | 04 Jun 2012 12:54 p.m. PST |
Go buy one of the many books by Mark Bando. He has photos of original uniforms and as you will see there are tons of subtle differences in the color of the uniforms. As in all military uniforms there is no one correct color. He also has a website "Trigger Time" that has info and photo sections. |
| MajorB | 04 Jun 2012 12:57 p.m. PST |
That top photograph looks suspiciously like it might be a black and white image that has been coloured. There's a distinct colour difference between the part of the picture to the left of the building corner and that to the right. Also the colour on the wall of the building behind the figures has what look like either brush or water marks. Colouring black and white photos with water based paints was actually quite a common practice in the 50s. Given that I believe Dick Winters was a technical consultant to the BoB series, I'd be inclined to think that the pictures from the series was more accurate. |
| Mick in Switzerland | 04 Jun 2012 1:21 p.m. PST |
Dear Ligny, When I wrote the Artizan guide, I tried to mimic the colours in BOB. "In the films Saving Private Ryan and Band Of Brothers, the uniforms are darker and greener. To achieve this look, mix 25% US Dark Green with 75% Middlestone." Try this with a mud wash. Regards
Mick Farnworth |
| Derek H | 04 Jun 2012 3:39 p.m. PST |
Margard wrote:
That top photograph looks suspiciously like it might be a black and white image that has been coloured. <snip> Given that I believe Dick Winters was a technical consultant to the BoB series, I'd be inclined to think that the pictures from the series was more accurate. That top image IS from Band of Brothers. link |
| johnnytodd | 04 Jun 2012 3:55 p.m. PST |
The M1942 Airborne uniform (jump jacket and trousers)was made of cotton twill which was a different fabric (and color) than the poplin of the M41 field jacket. It was a fairly distinctive color unlike most other US garments. Having owned a couple original jackets I can give you some guide to accurate paint color: Start with Vallejo Green Brown 60%, add 20% Yellow Green and 20% Ivory… then add more ivory to highlight. |
| Cerberus0311 | 04 Jun 2012 5:54 p.m. PST |
link The biggest thing to take from this is so many producers, so much wear and tear, and let not talk about how poor quality control could be. |
Toshach  | 04 Jun 2012 7:52 p.m. PST |
I believe that the uniforms worn by the American paratroopers in Normandy were coated in order to make them water resistant. This darkened the fabric. |
| jowady | 04 Jun 2012 8:30 p.m. PST |
Using stills from Band of Brothers or indeed most film or TV shows can be dicey. Lighting differs to create mood and filters are often used as well. Many shots in BoB and Saving Private Ryan had muted colors for precisely this purpose. They are after all films, not painting guides. I don't do WW2 stuff except in 1/35th scale, but while this site is geared to that you may find it useful. link |
| bullant | 05 Jun 2012 4:06 a.m. PST |
Margard you are on the right track. So is Jowady The documentary that comes in the Band of Brothers box set includes a section on visual effects. In that they discuss the use of a toned down colour palette used in post production. The colour rendition is deliberately inaccurate. I would go with the suggestion from sma1941 and get a copy of Bando if you want accuracy. |
| johnnytodd | 05 Jun 2012 4:29 a.m. PST |
Cerberus0311 wrote The biggest thing to take from this is so many producers, so much wear and tear, and let not talk about how poor quality control could be. Yes, and so much time has elapsed since the war for these garments to age/oxidize unevenly. At The Front is such a good reference I'll post it again: link |
| 11th ACR | 05 Jun 2012 10:24 a.m. PST |
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| vojvoda | 05 Jun 2012 10:30 a.m. PST |
Lighting is the issue. The uniforms were an Olive Drab Khaki. With a coat of dust and trench dirt would appear more brown, In a urban area with concrete dust and other rubble would take on an almost gray colour. I have seen these uniforms in the Fort Bragg and Special Operations Museum in Fayetteville North Carolina. VR
James Mattes |
| Rogue Zoat | 02 Jul 2012 5:06 a.m. PST |
Hi there. Hope this helps. I know it's a few weeks old but still, here's some pics of my 101st, which are the Warlord Games 28mm ones.
I exclusively used Citadel paints. They're probably not 100% accurite but I'm not fussed- they look alright to me :) Anyway I started with a weird green Humbrol spray because for some reason that was all I had. Then Brown Ink all over. Next I added base coat (but still keeping the inked recesses) of Graveyard Earth with a highlight of Kommando Khaki/Graveyard mix. I think this was it for the jumpsuit. For the webbing etc I believe I used a more beige-y colour, possibly Vomit Brown or suchlike. Certainly this was for hte gloves; so it might have just been straight-up Kommando Khaki. Helmet and kneepads were, I think, something like Knarloc Green (it was one of the old thicker Base Coat ones), then swished with a bit of brown ink :)
Boots were dark flesh with, yet again, more brown ink. the insignia were waterslide transfers from here: link Based on 1pence pieces, and colour-coded: brown for regular troops, red for specialists, blue for command and white for medic. Now, I believe GW have since changed all the names, but I'm sure somewhere there was a table that gave you the new names, corresponding to the originals. Hope this helps. It was last year that I painted 'em, and I REALLY need to get back into finishing the platoon. ie. buy more shiny!!! |
adds a tower to his 15mm trainyard.
