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Paint Pig31 May 2012 7:49 p.m. PST

Not my style but this time I feel I have to.

I had a big splurge this year on rules sets and historical books and recently received my two sets of 18th C rules via post. I was surprised and disappointed to find the packaging on both to be well below par for international shipping, particularly as A4 size envelopes are slotted into the spaces in between the larger parcels in the planes cargo bins. As we all know printed rules are becoming quite expensive and I would have thought more care could have been taken with the packaging.

Both had torn envelopes and both on opening now had what looked like 2nd hand books inside instead of the crisp pristine copies I was expecting. In one instance our postal service had to re-bag the envelope because it was so badly ripped the card deck had fallen out! The problem, I feel, is quite easily remedied by stiff card and envelopes with reinforced edging.

I will of course be sending photo's of the envelopes to those concerned and asking them for a replacement of the books, but once again it's not my thing and I find the whole issue a bit disheartening. It makes it hard to enjoy the product when it arrives in a skanky state.

Of interest is that all the books I have ordered this year bar one has turned up in perfect condition. The one that was damaged came from one of the rule set suppliers, a small rip in the envelope and matching rip in the dust cover which I decided wasn't an issue, wrong, I should have spoken up earlier.

regards
dave

Twilight Samurai31 May 2012 9:30 p.m. PST

A little whine never did anyone any harm.

Paint Pig31 May 2012 9:41 p.m. PST

I don't like whining, it's not in my nature, I'm more a get over it or fix it person.

I guess packaging is a problem we all face now and again, including my own shipping of figures, so it does no harm to raise the subject I suppose.

regards
dave

Paint Pig31 May 2012 9:56 p.m. PST

Good news

Upon filling out the 'contact form' from of one of the suppliers noting my problem I was contacted immediately and offered a replacement. They assured me that some tape will be placed around the ends of the envelope (which I would have suggested myself) to reinforce them. I am completely satisfied with the service I received and for their excellent and swift response, highly reccomended. Thank you Honour.

regards
dave

bsrlee31 May 2012 10:43 p.m. PST

Its not just games suppliers who fail on packaging.

I purchased a $1,000 USD dollar museum grade art book a while ago. It arrived in a thin cardboard (almost cereal box grade) slip case, no other packing. The hard cover was mashed down at all corners & it was not much point in complaining as it was a limited print run & no hope of getting a replacement copy.

Amazon also vary tremendously in the care they take – some cheap paperbacks will come lovingly shrink wrapped with airbags etc, then a large & expensive hardback arrives in pristine packaging with the binding falling apart as it had just been chucked in a box loose with no padding or other protection.

Paint Pig31 May 2012 10:59 p.m. PST

Its not just games suppliers who fail on packaging.

Exactly.

Sometimes things go awry and we don't get our deliveries the way we hoped. In this instance I was the unlucky one, two separate packages from two separate continents arriving about the same time in the same condition, what are the odds? It was just as well I was off for my holidays as it gave me a chance to cool down a bit.

Packaging will continue to be an issue as more and more industries rely on the internet for sales, that, plus the strain that organisations like eBay place on postal services and more particularly the carrier services they use. Space in the belly of the big aluminium birds is really at a premium and I suspect the "jamming it in" mentality is really only going to increase. It would be wise for the senders to stay one step ahead with their packaging and wiser still for the receivers of the shiny to be practicable when complaining about the cost of packaging.

regards
dave

As a side note and something of a curiosity, last year I received 6 new da Vinci brushes from a well known (OS for me) art supplier. They arrived in a, at the very minimum, 1 foot square box! The brushes were taped down to the bottom of the box so they wouldn't jiggle about and then the carton was filled with about a dozen or so of those little plastic air cushions, go figure.

Paint Pig01 Jun 2012 3:03 a.m. PST

Better news

The second company has also offered to replace their damaged rules book and there was some explanation as to why the problem arose which I fully understand and accept. Once again I was contacted immediately (ok when the poms get out of bed immediately) and I am totally happy with the way the problem was dealt with. Big thanks to Roz at Kent Trotman Books, I recommend them heartily.

Well that is out of the way, both companies responded quickly and dealt with the problem like pro's. My nervous twitch has gone and my vice like grip on the cats neck is starting to loosen (I told you I hate complaining).

regards
dave

richarDISNEY01 Jun 2012 7:53 a.m. PST

Glad you are getting results!'
I always hate it when that happens to me.
beer

DColtman01 Jun 2012 8:16 a.m. PST

Dave, I have had the exact same experience, hardcover book shipped in a flimsy envelope, ended up with the corners crushed. In my case the retailer replaced/refunded the item 100%.

But surely it is more cost effective for them to use a sturdy cardboard mailer in the first place? I don't get it.

OSchmidt01 Jun 2012 10:04 a.m. PST

Remember that sometimes the order you place for a book goes to one company who has jobbed out their stockroom to a licensed warehouse who does the shipping for them, and a lot of other customers as well. Their attention to your book as opposed to -- say-- socks or underwear will usually be of the same level.

Working in industry and being familiar with this for a long time the problem is widespread.

Example, Hippo-bippo Books for a long time has had its own warehouse and stockroom where they shipped their books. They sent them in nice stiff reinforced boxes because they were proud of their product and concerned about their reputation.

Well Bennings who was the COO retired and they hired Snotnozer who thought up this great idea to save money by doing away with the warehouse, sending their printed books directly to AviaNacht warehouse who would ship them for a quarter of the rate that the old in-house warehouse could do it for. Towels, books, socks, grandma's old crystal- the folks at Avia-Nacht didn't care and put it all in the same boxes and packed it with peanuts or air bags or whatever. They also hired people for a buck-three 80 and hour who were paid by the piece.

So complaints started rolling in-- to Hippo-Bippo books not to Avia-Nacht warehouses, and these were only a fraction of the complaints because most people just put up with it and didn't want to complain. Wouldn't have mattered a hill of beans anyway because when the complaints came to Buttlikker, (Snotnozzer long ago having taken his much enhanced resume and moved on) Buttlikker says to the head of customer service in the presence of the CFO, "Well I spoke to Avia-Nacht Warhouse and they say they would have to charge us a "special handling fee if you want us to play like we give a crap" which will raise our costs $2 USD per book.

What I haven't told you is that between the time of Snotnozer and Buttlikker, they had Bleeped textspanker the sales manager who convinced the CEO that all that extra money they kept in the bottom line which Snotnozer had gotten was chickenfeed to what HE could get if they allowed him to drop the price point to something like 5% above costs which would mean all the sales would go to Hippo-Bippo and starve out the competition. His battle cry in management meetings was "YEAH! We'll lose 10 cents per book, but LOOK AT THE VOLUME!!!!"

Rather than doing to Bleeped textspanker what they should have done, taken him to the wall at the back of the plant and shooting him like the NKVD would have done, they did it because they let greed get in the way, so now if they invest in a better packing system, they'll lose $40.10 USD instead of 10 cents per book and no one's going to have that on their watch. At this point Buttlikker notes that they only get 100 or so complaints a year from people tight-butted enough to complain and it's cheaper to simply send them new books for a total cost of $500 USD per year than the cost of rebuilding a responsible warehouseing facility.

That's in general what happens.

Now I'll tell you OTHER half of the story, from the people who complain. This is true.

One day in the winter I was driving home from work and I had promised my wife hot chocolate for a pleasant favor on a cold winters night. This was the one, but I had no unsweetened chocolate at home so I went to an A&P to get a bar.

Well- I find the stuff and am trying to dig it out (it was in a very difficult place and couldn't be gotten at easily (it was behind a clear screen, and in wedging it out, I pushed the whole row and a jar of ginger-juice fell off the rack a few feet away. The cap broke. There was no spillage, but the piece was no longer salable, and so I picked it up, put it into my cart and took it to the check out counter.

I explained the dilemma to the clerk and I said to him "I'll pay for it, but I don't want it, so if you could throw it away that would be fine."

"Oh, don't worry we have breakage all the time and we have a box here which we send back to the supplier."

"No, that's for breakage in transit, all your stock is shipped FOB destination, which means once it hits your dock, it's yours not theirs. So you sending it back as breakage is stealing from the manufactur."

"Oh don't worry we do this all the time."

Icily I said "People murder all the time, that doesn't make it right. I'll pay for the giner juice, put it on my bill then throw it away."

So I paid for it and he put it under the counter. I said "Why didn't you throw it away? He said under his breath "I'll do it later."

"No you won't you lying sack of (crap) and I looked under the counter and I saw the returns box.

I said Give me that back. He said he couldn't do it as it was already in the box.

I said now he was stealing from ME as he had taken my money and had not done what I wanted. Further he was then stealing twice once from me and once from the manufacturer- he had already been paid, with profit for the ginger juice and he was now doubly a thief.

He called the store manager who tried to blandly assure me with a smile that this happens all the time…. yadda yadda yadda… and there's no reason to worry over a simple accident… kids pull stuff off the shelf and break it… At this point I said to him. So now you're insulting me and saying that I am no better than some snotty, yowie, feral little monster whose parents cant control him because they're too squeamish to use a cattle prod and a tire iron. You're insulting me because on each step of the way I have tried to do the responsible thing, and you have attempted to make me a thief or a person who does irresponsible things. So now you are adding insult to injury. Let me ask you, pointing to a huge display of spaghetti sauce in apyramid, If I ran my cart into that and sent it flying I suppose you'd just shovel it all into the returns…

He looked at me at the pyramid and I guess decided that if he pushed me I might actually do it. Then he decided to get huffy-- "If you don't leave I'll call security." I told him call away, then I took out a dime and tossed it into his face and said "call the police too!" I'd love to get into court to explain to the judge about how I was arrested because I wanted to be a responsible citizen and pay for something I broke, The court will love it, and even better the court reporter for the newspaper will make a front page byline story out of it.

Of course by this time there are eight or nine people on the check out line, most of which are enjoying this immesely.

Finally he broke and asked me what I wanted to do.

"I want to throw out my ginger juice that I paid for."

He said he would throw it out.

"no you're not you knuckle dragging neanderthal, you're only saying that to get me out of here. Give me the giner juice now and I will take it out and dispose of it myself.

"I'm sorry it's against the rules for employees of the A&P to take things out of the return box once they're in. I looked at him, reached down and picked up the ginger juice and said "Fine I'll do it." He was shocked and said "That's stealing I could have you arrested. " "Go ahead, remember I've got the receipt-- court-- judge-- receipt-- ginger juice-- court reporter. "

So I left the store and tossed it into a litter basket five miles away.

The check-out line was cheering when I left.

pbishop1202 Jun 2012 6:52 a.m. PST

Very nice anecdote. Its the sort of characterization I would demonstrate and my wife cringes over. Either of these 2 events would set me off.

Back in the day I had some figures sent to me. many of the castings actually had holes in them. Called the company, gave them my order number, name, address and number and before they had a chance to dispute me, I just asked when I can expect a replacement order, will they send me a pre-paid return if they wanted the figures back, and how were they going to compensate me for my inconvenience, trip to the Post Office if they wanted the order back, and angst. \
i was even asked to send pictures of the poorly cast figures. Sure, but how would they compensate for more of my wasted time? That never happened.

Anyway, they replaced the lot, including the perfectly fine figures, and tossed in a few extra goodies. i actully ended up with more than I wanted. As a consumer, just stand your ground. And it's prefectly ok to ask how they're going to compensate you not only for the damaged goods, but for the time you just wasted getting a remedy.

Now this may sound ridiculous, but years ago I was on Long island. Stopped in Mickey Ds for a low cal wholesome meal after a commute from the City. No cheese please. Got to my apartment.. cheese. Damn it.

Back in the car, up to the counter, handed my receipt and the bag to the clerk, and requested the clerk go tell the manager that I just suffered gas and time, so throw is some pies in my corrected order, and supersize the fries, to make me feel better. Clerk was a little stunned, but Mickey D's obliged me. Don't ask in a woosy demeanor.., but don't yell either. Tell them what you want. Nicely, but tell them what YOU want. Love or hate Mickey D's, they serve you right..

Its not whining. Book arrived less than pristine. You paid for it. Have them put it right, and top it up for the agro… And for crying out loud, no 'gift coupon' that buys only 1/2 a thing and compels you to come out of pocket some more. That gimmick just pisxxx me off. 'That's out policy sir'.. Bullxxxx. You're a clerk. If you're afraid to make a decision, quit, becasue you're a moron, and put your boss on the phone.

I'm being over the top I know.. be firm but polite, and be a polite, gentlemanly,nuisance until you get satisfaction. Your money bro… And your time.

Mr Voltaire10 Jun 2012 3:50 a.m. PST

Excellent, OSchmidt! The corrupt and inefficent nature of Capitalism vividly critiqued! Because, of course, THEIR bottom line is our valuable money, so we want our monies-worth, definitely!

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