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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian25 May 2012 9:17 a.m. PST

During the Chinese Civil War that followed the end of WWII, U.S. Marines helped garrison the naval base at Tsingtao, which was home to the U.S. 7th Fleet. Increasingly, the Marines came into conflict with Chinese Communists.

Cooke, the admiral commanding the 7th Fleet, recommended increasing the Marine strength at Tsingtao, with the intention of retaining the base for U.S. use indefinitely. Such a move would support the Nationalists, provide a counter to Soviet strength at Lushun, and take a step against the Communists in response to their recent provocations. His naval superiors agreed.

The Truman administration rejected the proposal. By 1946, the Marines had withdrawn from Tsingtao.

In retrospect, did the Truman administration make the right decision?

skippy000125 May 2012 10:38 a.m. PST

Instead of Gitmo we'd have Tingto.

Yes, Mao would have continuually attacked. It would be too much of a symbol of western imperialism, Hong Kong and Taiwan was bad enough to put up with.

How good of a port was it? Did it need modernisation, dredging etc.? That may have been a factor. Check a map, was it tactically sound to hold? Add to that the refugees…

Great what-if, though.

skinkmasterreturns25 May 2012 10:40 a.m. PST

You know they were just trying to protect the brewery….

zippyfusenet25 May 2012 10:43 a.m. PST

Avram Davidson was a China Marine at that time. If the balloon had gone up, we might have lost my favorite author before he started writing.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP25 May 2012 10:44 a.m. PST

Probably a good idea – they were pretty vulnerable and US troops were too obvious a target – - -

bogdanwaz25 May 2012 12:47 p.m. PST

My dad was on an LST in Tsingtao that helped evacuate the marines and Nationalist troops. He said there was artillery fire hitting the harbor continually. He said most of the guys there didn't know there was a civil war going on in China and they thought the attacks were from Japanese troops who refused to surrender.

Lion in the Stars25 May 2012 9:10 p.m. PST

There was no way that the Nationalists could have won the Civil War. Chiang Kai-Shek wanted the credit for winning, Mao just wanted to win.

The base would have been unsupportable.

Bertie26 May 2012 7:16 a.m. PST

How good of a port was it?

Best beer in all China.


Mapleleaf26 May 2012 8:23 a.m. PST

There is plenty of material on line to answer all your queries


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