"Warhammer Historical closes" Topic

WAB was doomed because GW has no place for a game that they cannot re-invent the systems for every four or five years…. if the Samurai started out with double handed swords and plague censors… then in three years they need to be able to change the system to allow gyrocopters and 30$ models of six handed monks…. the fact that historicals had no models they wanted to pander meant it was never anything but a side show for them.
WAB had a good number of years though…I am thankful for that… but Squad Leader is not dead just because Avalon Hill is gone…. I've had a lot of great times playing WAB with great friends and had fun playing tough chess like matches too. I like the types of gamers that were attracted to our community which was a greater plus than anything GW did for our game.

Thanks for the positive comments about War & Conquest.

Orders received overnight will be shipped out today.

Our army lists are free online, and as noted above, we welcome submissions from the community, as there are plenty to write! At least two more lists will go up today, one went on yesterday.

Kind regards

Rob Broom
scarabminiatures.com
warandconquest.co.uk

"Why would anyone in their right mind pay for Romans and Vikings at GW prices?"

Because they had the opportunity to get in there first, WAB was out long long before the Perrys did their first plastic set…

Respect, Rob Broom. Your creation of LotOW makes me & my gaming circle very happy.

Can't say I was a fan of WAB…….but I did like the supplements in their own right.

And as far as "why do people pay FoW prices" goes… Depends on shipping, pack make-up, etc.

If I need to buy 3 packs of riflemen, a pack of BAR gunners, and a pack of leaders in order to field one platoon, are 5 packs cheaper than the FoW platoon (including shipping)? Generally, no.

It's not the FOW infantry that are the price killers, it is the vehicles. Why buy BF tanks at 10-15 a pop when you can get them for 5 each from other sources.

As someone who hated WAB, and deriviatives… I can say that this good news has not come soon enough.

There are some very good rules systems out there that I do not like, but I admire, that are such an improvement on the fantasy nonsense that was WAB.

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As i said, only in wargaming and other schismatic hobbies could someone 'hate' a set of rules and more than that be glad of its demise – I might not like the various DB systems very much, but if folk want to play them then i wouldn't be saying it was good news if one day they all went belly up – and which have been contributed to and written for by so many august names in the historical gaming world over the years – all presumably in the poster's view contributing to 'fantasy nonsense' – which they presumably did solely for filthy lucre (and its not a personal animus thing as I have friends who look upon anything and anyone associated to GW as forever tarnished in terms of credibility re historical gaming).
I doubt that if you don't like WAB you would like COE which is after all viewed by some as son of WAB – which I might well try as one reason I and my friends played WAB and its variants is thats its a common system – as we are all so old and stupid that we cannot cope with remembering multiple and complex rule sets and even then we mix up the rules!
The only things I hate to the same degree and whose demise I dance 2 and 4 yearly jigs over are the England football team (oh and Man U!).

"How DARE you have fun playing a game I don't like!"

after all viewed by some as son of WAB.

More the Daughter of WAB's gimpy new Ginger boyfriend.

Pat

"How DARE you have fun playing a game I don't like!"

Oh, those fundie wargamers!

"There are some very good rules systems out there that I do not like, but I admire, that are such an improvement on the fantasy nonsense that was WAB."

---- Thanks for the clear reminder why I have no desire to make an ass of myself commenting on other threads about rules sets that make me vomit.
JJ

Interestingly in looking to check if the Forge World webiste was offering any historical stuff, before you can get into it you have to accept a cookie

"To help us continually offer you the best experience on forgeworld.co.uk and help us manage the site, we and carefully selected third parties will store some information on your computer using cookies. Only by allowing us to store cookies on your computer can you browse the website and see the entire range of our great products."

'carefully selected third parties?' – yeah like the CIA so they can monitor anyone who plays any army other than Space Marines. That's the first time I've seen notice like that on on a wargames related website (or is it that other people do it without giving you the option)

I declined btw

Options for styles of games should be able to increase now one of the 800 pound gorillas of gaming has been shown the exit.

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don't quite understand that (as said I don't too complicated) – how does the formal demise of a rule set that was in decline anyway with the advent of so many new (and in some cases clearly derivative) rule sets, increase the options for styles of games – I must have missed the WHH heavies who forced people to play it and left horses heads on the pillows of those who wanted to offer other options.
Anyway he can and live at our club – we've got plenty of bananas.

The Cookie notice is a requirement of the new EU Cookie law which comes into force tomorrow – not anything unique to GW

Mike

Maybe GW/Forgeworld is looking to reprint the books in finecast resin.

As much as I loved WAB – and still do – GW has made it apparent that it's time to move on. I've ordered both W&C and CoE Age of Ravens today.

Thank you Rob and Stuart for offering such fine alternatives.

---- Thanks for the clear reminder why I have no desire to make an ass of myself commenting on other threads about rules sets that make me vomit.

Lol. Thanks, Jeff.

Enjoyed WAB, but the lack of support almost guranteed that this would be the result.

WAB had all the problems of Warhammer. It was a set of rules that was uncomfortably poised at the "feels like a skirmish game and has lots of detail rules like a skirmish game" but you're supposed to "play huge battle of it".

I played it a bunch and had fun, mainly due to the people. It was always too fiddly for me. Tournement play with it was always an exercise in someone powergaming so I stopped after playing in one tournement. Held off on v.2 when friends said it was an errata disaster. Now I'm very glad I did. Loved a few of the supplements, especially Age of Arthur which was a masterpiece of rules writing / supplement writing. Forget the author(s) but he knew his stuff.

Overall, I'm suprised they didn't sell it to someone to work it best they can and pay them royalties, after all even if it only brought in $10 USD K a year money is money.

I think the market is heading to games that are more fun, less work, just as "realistic" but have a lot less nuts and bols to check in a chart. So Song of Blade and Heroes, SAGA, Mantic's games, anything that has a strong intro to the hobby but is fun for more experienced players. The only exception to this I see is Flames of War.

my two bits. I'm sure that fans will take things into their own hands and fully expect to see some people playing it in a Cold Wars tournement in ten years, as "v.5 Fan Modified" or something – and more power to them!

Yeah, the FALL OF THE WEST supplement was a really good book. Never actually played WHAB though inspite of having the rules & several supplements.

I have played WAB since 1.0 was released and in the last couple of years even started a wargaming podcast in which a large amount of time was dedicated to discussing it. The players and community did not kill WAB…GW did. I do have mixed feelings about some of the comments being posted. If you never liked WAB…why are you here? I don't see many WAB'ers going over to those dedicated forum area(s)/threads and slamming DBA/M.

I am with J.J. and will continue to play WAB. I have played numerous CoE games and have enjoyed them, I will play W&C I am sure. My point is I have a bunch of 28mm miniatures and armies that I love to play. The rule set is just a vehicle for the fun. I think the only true sadness is that new players will be unable to obtain any of the great rules and supplements for WAB (unless of course they can find them used).

90% of everyone on this thread must have loved WAB (in different degrees), and I am sure will find another avenue to play 28mm ancients. To the other 10% who are dancing on the grave of WAB…grow up. Many of us invested considerable time and money into our hobby.

Pat Lowinger
The Historical Wargames Podcast
Previously Southern California Warhammer Radio

I'll still play WAB, sure I have some problems with some rules and changes over the years but I have yet to see any ancient 28mm game system that has better supplements.

Regarding finding those supplements, all I can say is PDF's and a tablet should solve the problem.

Now lets get back to throwing dice.

90% of everyone on this thread must have loved WAB (in different degrees), and I am sure will find another avenue to play 28mm ancients. To the other 10% who are dancing on the grave of WAB…grow up

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well said!

It goes to show that it's difficult to put out a quality looking product that many people appreciate and make enough revenue to ensure continued production and support.

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Gotta love the EU cookie law…

"It goes to show that it's difficult to put out a quality looking product that many people appreciate and make enough revenue to ensure continued production and support."

I don't believe that's the case with WHH. GW simply wasn't interested in producing something outside of their "core" three game systems.

You are totally correct, Caesar. It was a case of "death by disinterest".