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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian24 May 2012 4:27 a.m. PST

According to Osprey's recent Apache Tactics 1830-86, fighting with the Apaches was "a classic 'small war'." Numbers of fighters could vary from 50 to 3,000…

So, how many Apache miniatures do you need?

advocate24 May 2012 4:51 a.m. PST

No more than 3,000, apparently.

Dentatus Fezian24 May 2012 4:57 a.m. PST

Injuns? I thought this was about helicopters.

zippyfusenet24 May 2012 5:10 a.m. PST

3000 Apaches? In one place, at one time? No way. Even if someone could make arrangements to feed them, they would have fought among themselves. The different bands and tribes were never politically united and often feuded.

Maybe 200 warriors in the biggest war-parties ever. Probably 10 to 30 in a raiding party was more typical.

Sundance24 May 2012 5:16 a.m. PST

I have about 8. I might get more, but in the meantime, the most Apaches that I need is 8.

Greylegion24 May 2012 5:25 a.m. PST

I agree with Zippy, for the most part, but still think even 200 would be a stretch.

SECURITY MINISTER CRITTER24 May 2012 5:56 a.m. PST

30 max.

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP24 May 2012 6:34 a.m. PST

SMC1 said. I'd use 20-25.

cavcrazy24 May 2012 6:42 a.m. PST

I have 20 mounted and 20 on foot for when they are hiding along the walls of a canyon.

richarDISNEY24 May 2012 7:49 a.m. PST

Well…
I bought a box of them a while back for a 'STEAL'!!!
And it was!
$50 USD for 150 (some on horse) Foundry figs.
I got about 3 done so far…
beer

Personal logo oldbob Supporting Member of TMP24 May 2012 8:06 a.m. PST

I have 2 units of twenty so far, mainly Artizan and Foundry. This seem right for small action and skirmish games on a 6 by 4 table.

Gennorm24 May 2012 8:13 a.m. PST

I've got 2 flights of 2 each plus the supporting Kiowas with the laser designators. Never found a use for more than that especially with the minimum range of the Hellfires.

Garryowen Supporting Member of TMP24 May 2012 1:40 p.m. PST

I agree with zippy as well. I think I have about 30 mounted and dismounted. I have been so busy with my Sioux wars that I have done nothing with them so far.

WOW!!! richarDISNEY you sure did get a steal. Congratulations.

Tom

Mako1124 May 2012 2:09 p.m. PST

30 sounds like a nice, round number.

Of course, you'll need to double or triple that to include mounted figs and casualties.

Dragon Gunner24 May 2012 2:24 p.m. PST

20-30

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP24 May 2012 7:30 p.m. PST

Does it matter? It's an open license, so you can run as many instantiations as you want…

Early morning writer24 May 2012 10:22 p.m. PST

Uh, Zippy, you should read more history about the Apaches. Before the coming of the white man they had bigger groupings – especially before the Comanches kicked their butts. But during the classic Wild West Apache decade or so, I'd go with no more than 90 warriors and a slightly smaller number of villagers, could make do with half that and still be okay. These numbers work for me – and my collection.

latto6plus225 May 2012 2:21 a.m. PST

"Apache war parties come in all sizes; theres the kind with a hundred warriors and the kind with just one"

Burt Lancaste said that and he should know.

zippyfusenet25 May 2012 7:28 a.m. PST

Uh, Zippy, you should read more history about the Apaches.

Early morning writer, I'm always ready to learn.

I have read that before the Comanches got horses, back when the dog was the only pack and draft animal, the Apaches lived as nomadic buffalo hunters on the Texas plains. But I doubt whether, even in the days of their prosperity, the Apaches had the social organization and logistics to support armies of thousands of warriors.

I would be interested to know what evidence you have for a war party of > 200 Apache warriors, at any place, at any time. Thanks.

MarkRyan25 May 2012 8:31 a.m. PST

Four. Because you never can see more than four as they rush you…that said, I have about forty.

Cacique Caribe25 May 2012 8:48 a.m. PST

"How Many Apaches Do You Need?"

LOL. I thought this was going to be a non-PC version of a lightbulb joke.

Dan

gisbygeo Supporting Member of TMP25 May 2012 10:22 p.m. PST

Easy answer: If you are buying Old Glory: 30, 60, 90…. (Not a slam, Russ, I love the Old Glory Apaches)

CooperSteveOnTheLaptop30 May 2012 5:21 a.m. PST

I have 3 mounted versions of foot figures, 12 civs, & i think maybe 15 foot warriors?

Aside from the mounted figures, they fit nicely into a little plastic toolbox I custom-padded… my most portable posse!

Personal logo Dasher Supporting Member of TMP06 Jun 2012 8:36 p.m. PST

Three-to-one versus U.S. Cavalry sounds about right.

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