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ncervellati Inactive Member21 May 2012 3:40 p.m. PST

After many hours of searching and reading for my first steps in the napoleonic world, I have now a complete OOB for the french army at Gamonal.

I thing I would like to try this scenario with Drums and Shakos Large Battles which is a game at Brigade level.

The problem is that I could not find any information about the brigades of each division for that battle, except something in the organization of the french army in Spain, that dates to 15 november, some days after Gamonal, during which regiments were moved around.

PDF link

Does anyone know any source (whatever language I guess)? If not, what would be a plausible organization? 5-6 battalions per brigade?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Here you are the OOB, for the battle:

II Corps – Soult

Division Mouton
2e Léger (3 batt.)
4e Léger (3 batt.)
15e Ligne (3 batt.)
36e Ligne (3 batt.)
Garde de Paris (1 batt.)

Divis Merle
31e Léger (3 batt.)
47e Ligne (2 batt.)
70e Ligne (1 batt.)
86e Ligne (1 batt.)
1st Reserve (4 batt.)
2nd Reserve (4 batt.)
2nd Swiss (1 batt.)
3rd Swiss (1 batt.)

Division Bonnet
119e Ligne (4 batt.)
120e Ligne (4 batt.)

Division Lasalle
9e Dragoon
10e Chasseurs
22e Chasseurs

Division Milhaud
12e Dragoon
16e Dragoon
21e Dragoon

Division Franceschi
8e Dragoon
Hanoverian Chevaux Légers
Suppl. Chasseurs

Seroga Inactive Member21 May 2012 4:42 p.m. PST

This is the French staff study of the campaign (published in the early 1900's)
"Campaign de l'empereur Napoléon en Espagne (1808-1809)" by Cmdt. Balagny, Service Historique de l'Armée
T.2 : link
T.3 : link
T.4 : link
T.5 : link
I can't find T.1 immediately, but what you want was in November 1808 anyway.

Oriol Barcelona Inactive Member29 May 2012 3:08 a.m. PST

It seems that at Gamonal, Franceschi cavalry division acted as reserve and Division Merle was not engaged.

In spanish wikipedia you can see the map of the battle from Arteche's "Enciclopedia de la Guerra de la Independencia" so its more or less de "official map". If you zoom the map you will see the bons in column. It seems that Mouton had two brigades of 5 and 6 batallons and division Bonnet two brigades of 4 batallons each (I'm sure each brigade in Bonnet division was composed of 1 regiment).

link

I know that Brigade Reynaud had 15 ligne (3 bons) and 4 leg (3 bons) but maybe this brigade had more bons.

There is also the artillery. Soult's corps included three companies (so 3 batteries?) of 3rd Foot Regiment:
7th company 81 men
9th company 75 men
15th company 61 men

Hope it helps

Oriol Barcelona

Oriol Barcelona Inactive Member29 May 2012 4:34 a.m. PST

Hi it's me again.

It seems that the 3rd bon of the Garde de Paris formed also in Reynaud Brigade.

It seems that the 2nd legere formed in Rey's brigade so I suppose that also the 36th was in the same brigade.

The 119 was a new regiment that consisted in the 13th and 14th provisional regiments as was the 120th formed from 17th and 18th provisionals.

My main source is "Base de datos de las unidades de la Guerra de la independencia" it's a data base that is sold as a CD from the spanish ministry of defence.

If you need anything else, let me know

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