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Ten Fingered Jack18 May 2012 4:50 a.m. PST

The loss of the North African provinces to the Vandals.

Ten Fingered Jack18 May 2012 4:51 a.m. PST

Christianity? The ghost of Gibbon rises again.

darclegion18 May 2012 10:34 a.m. PST

Cannae

Dasher06 Jun 2012 9:50 p.m. PST

Cannae. That, and failing to appreciate Julius Caesar.

Bashytubits06 Jun 2012 10:20 p.m. PST

The fall of Constantinople. That was the end of everything Roman.

The Last Conformist08 Jun 2012 1:46 a.m. PST

The Trapezuntines might disagree.

CooperSteveOnTheLaptop08 Jun 2012 8:34 a.m. PST

Mussolini?

138SquadronRAF08 Jun 2012 8:48 a.m. PST

Militarially, the Battle of Manzikert.

Culturally, the adoption of Christianity.

"Thou hast conquered, O pale Galilean; the world has grown grey from thy breath;
We have drunken of things Lethean, and fed on the fullness of death."

Trajanus09 Jun 2012 3:19 a.m. PST

The fact HBO canned it after two seasons.

jpneilso09 Jun 2012 4:00 p.m. PST

I'm not all that well read on Roman history, in a nutshell how was the rise of Christianity a negative turning point for the empire?

CooperSteveOnTheLaptop11 Jun 2012 2:37 a.m. PST

As a Christian I am no fan of much of what Constantine introduced to the faith, but I fail to see how its adoption led to the fall of the west?

Caliban11 Jun 2012 5:54 a.m. PST

From (very old) memory, I think that Gibbon's premise was that the imperial adoption of Christian monotheism made the empire as a whole far less religiously and culturally adaptable. In other words, the Romans couldn't equate "barbarian" gods with their own and use this as a mechanism to "Romanise" them. I think he also made the secondary argument that Christian in-fighting further debilitated the Empire.

Please note that this is purely a description from memory of Gibbon's view. No pagans were harmed in the making of this passage…

CooperSteveOnTheLaptop11 Jun 2012 9:03 a.m. PST

Both these arguments may have some truth in them, however i don't think they account for the fall of the west. I think division of the empire did that, left to fight twice the barbarians with half the resources (give or take)

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