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Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP14 May 2012 4:14 p.m. PST

I'm working on a novel set in the ACW, and I've written a scene where my young heroine commandeers (steals) a Union Army wagon. In this case, the Union forces are actually Southern (Unionist) volunteer cavalry, so I'm operating a bit under the assumption that their equipment tended to be less standard in nature; let's call it a "pre-commandeered" farm wagon the lads are using on a raid.

The basic premise of the scene is that the soldiers have abandoned the wagon, with horses still in harness, to loot a home. She sneaks on, grabs the reins, and takes off. That's about it for the action, but I want to give a little more detailed and authenticity to it.
So…

1.) Where would the reins be if someone pulled a wagon to a stop but didn't tie it off? Aside from what I imagine would be the horses' reluctance to pull the dang weight around for no reason, what, if anything, might a driver do to keep them from wandering?

2.) I'm guessing there's some sort of handbrake that clamps against the front wheel (such as I've seen in Westerns). Fair assumption? And what's involved in releasing it?

3.) The driver is completely inexperienced, but there is someone (an injured prisoner) who can advise her how to stop with at least moderate safety, so they can abandon the wagon and head into thick woods. What details might I need to be aware of which her advisor can tell her to do?

4.) How hard would it be to get the team to run with no one holding the reins (or is "traces" the correct word?), as a distraction to pursuers? Is that at all realistic?

5.) For what it's worth, the setting is northern Alabama circa 1863, if that affects the info.

I've done a bit of googling, and I'll hit the library next, but I'm hoping someone here may be able to give me a "quick hit" response, as my whole point is just one small scene— steal, drive (badly), stop (possibly badly), abandon, run, end of wagon scene. Two whole paragraphs, tops.
One problem I've discovered is that most descriptions I've tracked have been for either Conestogas (which this isn't meant to be), carriages (ditto), or wagons built twenty years or more later. Maybe the terms and designs are the same, maybe not— I just don't know.

In any case, I'm imagining a wagon a farmer might use for supply runs to the general store or hauling hay/manure or whatever about. Period equivalent of a pickup truck.

Thanks for any help!

The Gray Ghost14 May 2012 4:54 p.m. PST

4.) traces connect to the horses to the wagon

The Gray Ghost14 May 2012 4:56 p.m. PST

2.)the only type of wagon I have driven, which was not ACW vintage had a squeeze handle lever, squeeze the handle together than move it into on or off position.

The Gray Ghost14 May 2012 4:57 p.m. PST

1.)some tie off near the seat, wagons are heavy and it is unlikely they would wander off without being spooked and you set the brake when you get off.

The Gray Ghost14 May 2012 5:01 p.m. PST

4.) How hard would it be to get the team to run with no one holding the reins. Is that at all realistic?
depends on how heavy your load is and how spooked they are but I would say it is not very realistic .
A good way to injure your horse is to try to go from a stop to a run, they are not like a car.

The Gray Ghost14 May 2012 5:05 p.m. PST

3.) The driver is completely inexperienced,

working the reins properly is pretty difficult

What details might I need to be aware of which her advisor can tell her to do?

don't pull back to hard when you want to stop.

DJCoaltrain14 May 2012 5:08 p.m. PST

Try this site:

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They have a picture and talk about an Army Escort Wagon.

HistoryPhD14 May 2012 5:11 p.m. PST

The reins would typically (but not universally) be tied off in the brake handle. The brake was indeed a wedge pressed against one of the front wheels, held there by a ratchet-type of mechanism, though different wagon manufacturers used slightly different systems. The wheel was also often chocked with a largish rock.

Unlike the movies, provided the horses haven't been spooked, they will tend to slow down and stop if they sense no human directing them for any length of time. So if the wagon driver is killed/jumps out/whatever, the horses won't carry on for all that long before stopping.

Basic wagon design didn't really vary noticeably throughout this period, so 1880's wagons you made reference to will be largely identical to 1850's and 60's wagons.

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP14 May 2012 5:26 p.m. PST

Thanks, guys. I knew I could count on TMP!

And that Army Escort Wagon is just what I had in mind. (Looks like it didn't even have a brake until "after 1863").

Given the bit about not going from a stop to a run, how long would it take to get the horses to run rather than walk? Especially if someone lightens the load by pushing stuff out? (Assume it's not heavily loaded to begin with; it's a raid, so they're there to take stuff away, not bring it in.)

The soldiers are looting a house, so I can have 'em inside the structure when she first starts off; but it won't be long before they run after her. Is it a realistic escape attempt, or am I better off just freeing the prisoner from the wagon and shuffling off to the woods with him? I like the excitement of the wagon grab, but all in all it's not essential to the plot.

The Gray Ghost14 May 2012 5:30 p.m. PST

4-H was a long time ago but I think it went 10 min walking 10 min trotting then the gallop and no more than 30 mins galloping, then slow to trot then walk.
But most people are more comfortable with the Hollywood version so I wouldn't worry about it I think if you had to you could get a wagon from a stop to a run in 100yds.

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