"Vehicles used by Chechens and Russians ?" Topic

Gentlemen,

Looking for some ideas on what vehicles are needed in 1:100 for Chechens and/or Russians. Currently almost finished sculpting the Tigr:

Thanks in advance !

Piotr

The Chechens used whatever they could get. For Russians there are the BTR-80's mostly. However, QRF make those already.

If you want to make vehicles for other Russian conflicts, try making the Otokar Cobra built in Turkey that was used by the Georgians in the 2008 Ossetia war.

-Eli

Photos here link

Also, some more modern russian trucks and jeeps wouldn't hurt.

UAZ-469 and UAZ-469B would be a good start –

-Eli

Thought Peter Pig did one of those ?

Yes, they do, but they are the only ones.

Nothing wrong, in my book, with another company taking a crack at it.

-Eli

True and i think most of the stuff used is available from somewhere so maybe a case of doing it better.

There is a huge gap in post-Cold War gear.

15mm lines tend to stop at the T-80BV. Nobody does a T-80U or T-90. Most of the more recent vehicle work has been done on Middle Eastern conflicts where the enemy equipment hadn't changed much. New American and British equipment has been done in 15mm to some degree.

Ultramodern stuff is really only just beginning in 15mm. I think part of the reason is due to the fact that so many modern battles are fought at scales that can be done in 20mm or 28mm. 15mm is still considered, by many, to be the scale for larger scale fights and not a scale for street fighting.

I think a really good example is that we are just now seeing modern Russians and Balkan militia despide a good two decades of fighting in that part of the world.

-Eli

Gentlemen,

Thanks for the great ideas so far. Keep 'em coming :)

UAZ-469: Actually, we have chosen this internally as more suitable for Chechens and with more uses than a Lada Niva. We could do a Niva in the future if we receive enough written threats [err… demands]

Otokar Cobra: Another personal favorite. I hope to have it ready to be available at the release of the Georgian armed forces. An indispensable vehicle for the 2008 Ossetia War.

Polish Rosomak / Wolverine AFV: We have all the details and information on all the variants. In queue alongside Polish armed forces. Suitable for what-if scenarios like Russian sponsored Byelorussian invasion of Poland for example ;)

As an aside, some of the newer vehicles like the Cobra and Rosomak are ideal for people looking for lesser known vehicles for near future or hard science fiction forces.

This means crossover sales!

-Eli

bottom one look pretty can see the Sci-Fi mob getting some of those

How about a Zil truck or a KaMaz

Eastern euro civilian vehicles would be good for street dressing and technicals.

-Eli

second eastern european civi vehicles

What kind of civilian vehicles ? Trucks, buses, trams, anything specific ?

How about: Anders Multirole Combat Platform

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WPB_Anders

Cars and trucks mostly. Different sorts would be nice. Trucks could be pickups, SUVs, delivery, vans, etc..

-Eli

I must be seriously out of date; I thought Belarus (sorry, I pronounce it Bye-lo-roos, at least) would be more interesting in invading in the other direction. ;->=

Must say, that Cobra does look sweet.

Doug

I know that my Alcovian imagi-nation forces went with imported/licensed French VBLs in the 90s but will invest in Kobras once they are available.

-Eli

For that sort of period I'm seeing mostly T-72s (with and without ERA, both older and newer Kontakt), BTR80 and 80A, BMDs, Hips and Hinds, nothing really 'cutting edge' being deployed.

That one is intriguing :-)

Looks kinda like a PT-76B with improv armor added.

-Eli

GeoffQRF,

That is a PT76B with improvised armor. PT76 is still in use with some units in the recce elements and the Russian Maritime Infantry. I have to admit I love the BTR wheel added the the rear of the hull though. If it makes the crew feel good…..

I find it curious that the BMP-3 seems to share more in common with the PT-76B, at least superficially.

-Eli

Sorry, yes, did recognise it, was just an interesting little beast to see still. Can't imagine what they are going to do with a BTR tyre… oh, no, hold on, swap it with a BTR crew for something :-)

Not surprising at all. BMP-3 is derived from an amphibious light tank prototype, Object 685.

Re: civilian vehicles, Chechens made great use of black market & stolen vehicles from the west (every Chechen General was said to be driving a mercedes at 1 point during the first war!). If you could make a mx of Russian and western civilian cars circa 1995-2005 that would be super useful!

Fyi, Tigr is only available after 2005 (ie. 2nd Chechen War).

The W anders looks sweet you should do it ….Mikey

In any case, I think it's safe to say that modern wargaming is a growing part of the hobby and that any vehicles and troops, save for the most obscure, would be happily received. Even those vehicles that may not have seen limited service – T-90s, BMP-3, Chinese armor – would still have a place with folks wanting to play out what-if conflicts.

-Eli

Actually its the most obscure that seem to be most happily received. Unfortunately usually not in most depth of sales, so rarely justify the origination cost.

You are right about 'what if' though, we have sold a lot of BMP-3 and things like AMX-40.

Yeah, obscure will always be happily received on novelty alone. I can also see how sales would be slim though as a lot of folks won't buy it if it never saw light of day.

It's like WW2 "Paper Panzers". there are always guys chomping to buy some but a lot more mainstream gamers who won't touch them.

On that note though, I'll usually pay a bit more for obscure items, myself.

-Eli

The TOS-1. Short range thermobaric mrls built on a t-72 chassis. Was used to level parts of Grozny.

TACV, haven't seen one in any scale.

You mean the BMPT [Boyevaya Mashina Podderzhki Tankov] aka the TACV [Tank Support Fighting Vehicle]:

The TOS-1:

A 3D image of the Tigr wheel:

The 3D sculpt of the vehicle is almost finished.

The Tigr is almost print ready, just some final retouches:

TACV, haven't seen one in any scale.

GHQ makes them in 1/285th

ghqmodels.com/store/w87.html

Cromwell do one in 1/76th too

Anybody know of a similar type of model in 15mm?, would like to use the turret in a coversion I'm working on, cheers

I really like the cromwell model, but the warning light appears to go red once you open up some of the warning threads that crop up concerng dealing with this company. I don't want to bad mouth a company before having had any dealings with them, but there do seem to be a lot of unhappy customers out there after dealing with Cromwell models.

Anybody out there vouch for them, I was wondering about the possibility of buying a couple of the turrets separately as they are just what I'm after.

Piotr, did you ever move forward with either the Tigr or the Rossomak?

I think that given the 'largish' trend in 15mm miniatures 1:87 vehicles work much better with them than 1:100 ones,

but I am prepared to be the only one harboring this thought.