"One more goofy thing about Warflag" Topic

So, I need a flag set for the 27th Foot, the Inniskillings.
Not having any in my Bag O'Flags, I head to the Warflag site. Yes, the one I snarl about at least every other week for their inaccuracies.
They have the 27th! (A stopped watch is right twice a day…)
So, I print out that page.
I had to laugh. The Union on the regimental flag has the number "XVII" on the crossbar.

Sigh…

I should have known better.

What? You can't paint an extra "X" on it, John? :)

It didn't print out all that well, either.

So, I am experimenting with flags off this site instead:
fifedrum.org/crfd/BD_1R.htm

My whole point when I rant against Warflag is that they are both careless and goofy.

"that they are both careless and goofy."

You forgot "free".

PK, I wish we could "like" posts…

I just lost all respect for you John..

All respect!
Let me guess,I bet you still use the Betsy Ross flag as well??

@ PKay,all free things aren't good..THIS is one of them that isn't!

I can't believe this mess of a site is still up?
Oh,thats right,wargamers are cheap! lol!

Bob

BTW,I have a 27th foot flag from GMB! :-)
And its NICE..and has the right number on it! :-)

Bob, like I said a stopped clock is right twice a day.
This was not one of those times.

DID I SAY I WAS GOING TO USE IT?
No, I did not.

And I only have one Betsy Ross flag.

I also need it for Saturday…

My Flags for the Lads are just too darned big, or I would use them.

Have you tried Vaubanner?

Complaining about a site that gives you free flags?

Wow…

I use warflag all the time, but then i game mostly in 6mm, so i re-size the flags. They are small enough that you cant see any mistakes…Not that ive noticed any anyway!!

I think you are being a bit harsh knocking a site/someone's work, especially when it free!

Steve.

I think you are being a bit harsh knocking a site/someone's work, especially when it free!

Complaining about a site that gives you free flags?

Oh, yes. Inaccurate, free, careless, free, goofy, free, made up, free… What's not to like? Oh, yes. The inaccurate, careless, made up and goofy parts.

I use warflag all the time

Be my guest. Hey! SOME of them might even be accurate! What have you got to lose?

This is what photo editing software is designed for.

Haven't seen the flag, but seems to me, if there is space, you should just be able to copy the "X", and paste it on, where needed.

When you do Austrians, it's hard to get the flag wrong

A vote for Vaubanner – good Canadian boy, great value for money and fast service

How about krigsspil.dk. go to there "download" section.

Oh well John, start your own Wargame flag service were all you have are 100% historical accurate flags, then make it a free service and everyone one will love you.

But you will wine, bitch, and complain about something, not sure what but something.

PS: "PISS ON THE BRITISH" is still one of my favorite flags and I will always have at least one unit carry it!

As someone who offers a free to use service for the benefit of others, I find whining like this a bit sickening. Start a site of your own John and help the gaming community, you know, rather than whining.

Jaz
6sided.net

Dear me what a miserable attitude to a site that provides something for no charge.

Begrudgers truely deserve their fate.

You don't like Warflag? No problem stick your hand in your pocket and buy something you do like.

There's a difference between being a curmudgeon, and being simply unpleasant.

Took the words out of my mouth 6sided.

I use it all of the time. They don't print out that well for me either, but I only use them as a template to paint over. Innacuracies and little things like missing "X" s get corrected in the painting process. I'm mainly using the Napoleonic flags, but I haven't come across the mass of errors you're moaning about all of the time.

hey, rev war flags for the continental/state regiments are primarily "Guestimations" anyway…. i happen to like "piss on the British" for a militia flag. I am really really really convinced it never existed.
they're toy soldiers, they stand 3/4 on an inch tall. not a big deal to me. May be to others, but I cant get wrapped up in the details. hell, Im going fishing.lets see, need bait, need beer, gas in the truck? yep gonna be a good day.

How about krigsspil.dk. go to there "download" section.

Which is nothing but an exact copy of Warflag, warts and all.

If you don't like what's available free, buy ones you do like.

Interestig attitudes that I should love it and embrace it because it's "free", regardless of its accuracy.

This is the same attitude that leads Osprey and the like to pack their booklets with public domain Victorian engravings of dubious accuracy, because they do not have to pay for them.
I particularly like the AWI battle illustrations with the soldiers wearing shakos.
But, these engravings were FREE!

I also find the comments on "If you can't do any better, you have no right to complain" as stupidly ignorant as usual. If I think Miley Cyrus is a horrible singer, I cannot complain unless I have won a Grammy?
I am bitching and whining because they are INACCURATE! You don't care? You don't want anyone to point that out, simply because they are FREE???

hey, rev war flags for the continental/state regiments are primarily "Guestimations" anyway…. i happen to like "piss on the British" for a militia flag. I am really really really convinced it never existed.

Read Richardson. Google "Gostelowe standards" or Tarleton captured flags". Just because you can't be bothered to do some actual research does not mean that they are all "guesstimates".
And if you think "Piss on the British" is acceptable, you have no clue about the religious nature of the New England troops in the AWI.

If you don't like what's available free, buy ones you do like.

I do. I went to "that place" because I did not have the specific regiment I wanted. The 27th has a castle on a blue circle as a device. My Flags for the LAds flags were too large for the Old Glory staffs.
Or go to the following FREE sites that have some claims to accuracy, and do a little heavy lifting with editing software.
fifedrum.org/crfd/BD_1R.htm
drapeaux.org/Accueil.htm

Umm, tell me again why we are supposed to distrust Wikipedia?
Oh, I guess we don't have to take them with a grain of salt anymore. It's FREE!!!!!!!

And I don't EVER want to hear a peep out of ANY of you, complaining about the inaccuracy of ANYTHING!
Oh, wait. If you pay for it, you can complain about it. But if it's FREE!!!!, hands off. Got it.

I have Richardson and have seen most of the available research, but it only covers a drop in the bucket. There are so many holes in what we know there is certainly large scope for guestimations IMO.

Wow major petulance on display can we expect a massive sulk?

How will we survive?

You expressed an opinion on the internet others disagreed it happens all the time.

No one is telling you to use something you don't like its up to you. Others do like Warflag that's up to them.

The one thing that is obvious is that this topic and others that OFM has started as of late all seem to be him simply "TRALLING" for an argument.

And he has seceded as is the norm!

"And if you think "Piss on the British" is acceptable, you have no clue about the religious nature of the New England troops in the AWI."

And who says any of us are gaming "the New England troops in the AWI."

Why do they say ""Urinate on the British""

Maybe I should change my troops from the south to say ""Piss On Them There British"" "?"

Just a opinion.

Yep I thought that when I saw his Napoleon topic on that otherwise tranquil backwater the Napoleonics Board. Like a moth to the flame.

I can't help it if some people equate FREE with GOOD.
I am quite stunned to see how many actually believe this.

Well, you get what you pay for.

What do you expect, when so many ask for FREE websites, rather than ask for a recommendation of a good book.
What do you expect when so many condemn those of us ho refuse to buy pirated figures or rules?

Look. I showed you two reputable FREE websites with flags I can believe in. You just have to do a little work to print them out. Save picture, insert in werd document, edit, etc. Like I did last night, for both the 27th and the 84th foot. They came out with a much bettter quality than the Warflag ones, BTW.
I guess that makes Warflag doubly gooder, because they do all the work also, to give you free inaccurate goofy made-up flags.

What's TRALLING, by the way?

John,

Have you tried writing to Ian? He is a great guy and maybe he could use a little help to correct the errors that you have found. That way you can contribute to the accuracy of the "free" flag site.

Bill.

I did, a few years ago.
I sent information regarding actual flags, and it was ignored.

IIRC, both Napflags and Warflag were going to be taken offline several years ago as the owners said that hadn't the time to maintain them. I think for a time both _were_ offline and were brought back because of the demand.

Nobody said "free was good". Complaining about it because its not perfect for you is tacky. Take some initiative, fix it to your liking and be done with it. You'd have had it done in far less time than this ridiculous string of posts has taken.

Nobody said "free was good".

That's the implication. I am being attacked for having the nerve to criticize something, and the reason I should not criticize it is because it is free. Please explain the logic behind that.

Do you ever criticize a singer on TV or the radio, even though you are not paying to hear them? Are you saying that I should go to all the trouble to record the song myself, and then put up a Youtube video?
You do NOT want to hear me singing "Rolling in the Deep". Trust me on this.
You don't want to see me dance or throw a football either.

As for "tacky"… Don't many come here for advice on CORRECT uniform colors, facings, straps… and flags? Why is pointing out that some sources are inaccurate "tacky"? Is it because inaccurate information that you pay for is EVIL, while FREE inaccurate information is beyond reproach? Interesting.

Yes well Microsoft paint the image and fix it.You rich people have more money than time I guess.Gmb are very nice but cant afford the 7.00 bucks a pop in 28mm.Rob

To paraphrase from the first Star Wars movie:
"Move along. These are not the flags you are looking for."

"I am being attacked for having the nerve to criticize something, and the reason I should not criticize it is because it is free. Please explain the logic behind that."

I can't speak for anyone other than myself. I personally would have just used the flag as my starting point and adjusted it as I wished. I don't see the need for making a big deal out of it on TMP. I don't think I've "attacked" you. But, I guess that perception is part of being the OFM.

Continue as you wish. I'm done.

John;
Well, I suppose I could go into MS Paint and make it a "Pee On The British" flag if that helps…

Being native to the NE parts, I'd have to say, given what original source material that exists and I've read, that there's nothing preventing any Bostonnais from singing psalms one moment, then saying naughty words the next.

Of course, this being a FREE opinion, you may wish to add a large grain of FREE salt.

Eric

You guys are such dupes.I think John was trying to demonstrate that the corner of Waterloo and Valmy isnt the only bad section of town.

There'a Waterloo and Valmy street corner in Luzerne County?

Eric

My mistake MR OFM perfect, I meant "TROLLING"

You have been doing it for ages, so you should recognize it in any shape form or spelling.

As it was stated by others "PAY" for a perfect correct, version and leave.

As my Prussian Grandfather once told me, "If you have nothing to say that is good, then say nothing at all!"

"So, I need a flag set for the 27th Foot, the Inniskillings.
Not having any in my Bag O'Flags, I head to the Warflag site. Yes, the one I snarl about at least every other week for their inaccuracies.
They have the 27th! (A stopped watch is right twice a day…)
So, I print out that page.
I had to laugh. The Union on the regimental flag has the number "XVII" on the crossbar.

Sigh…

I should have known better."

This is "TROLLING"

Techincally, if you use a net, it can be called TRAWLING…

But I digress.

Eric

John,

Sometimes you get what you pay for. I tell that to my boss that all the time. He wants stuff for free and wonders why it falls apart in two days.

Let me try to understand. Your mad at Warflag for you not planing ahead and buying one from The Flag Dude or GMB in time for your game. Can you not just sub another unit you have?

Talk to Rick and maybe he can overnight one to you. It will cost you big bucks but apparently this is an emergency.

Warflag has some generic AWI British flags why not use one of those and either add the numbers or leave them be and fold them so as to hide the fact there is not a number.

Personally, if I've gone to the effort of painting a few dozen soldiers to the best of my ability (which also takes me a number of weeks to do), I don't see the problem of spending a few pounds for good-looking flag, rather than printing one off the internet, which, IMO, don't look very good.

Gentlemen, I use two free software programs, Photo pos pro and two pic. I haven't bought any flags in years, enough said !

Sorry John but you're wrong. Slamming a guy who posted a lot of info for gamers use for free is poor form. Ok, so there are some issues. So what. On his site he talks about how to work on the flags to create or tweak them. I never saw that he referenced it as THE site for flags on the net. I'm really disappointed that you took this viewpoint and then when called on it try and belittle everyone else who disagreed with you. I find some of your posts interesting and sometimes provocative. But this time you really stepped in the poo.

Thanks,

John

Because we have so much available free or otherwise have we become lazy. Instead of doing the research and work ourselves we run to others.

John did you try Grimsby Wargames Society they have some nice flags, but not sure if the 27th is there.

So I am a bad guy and a troll for pointing out that free stuff can be inaccurate. Marvelous.