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Victor Kravenhoff Inactive Member18 Apr 2012 10:17 a.m. PST

Hy all. I have started to collect 15mm sci-fi, and I have decided to make a battle universe based partly off of little bits of lore from my favorite setting, partly off my own imagination, and partly on avaible minis (of course I am open to converting/kit bashing, and I have no problem with using smaller scales for really small entities and larger scales for monsters or absurdly large tanks, but as I am a bigginner, and because there is so much readily avaible in 15mm, I dont think I will be doing that at first) Anyways, I am looking for a Ruleset with a fairly robust unit/tank/monster/whatever else that fights creation rules, so any ideas? PS: I used to really like 40k allot, and I would love a ruleset for 15mm that lets me costomize and create my own armies with the same amount of personality and diversity that factions in 40k have if not more)

Jeff W Inactive Member18 Apr 2012 10:24 a.m. PST

Based on your PS, Gruntz might work well for you. It has lots of crunchy parts for customizing your own armies.

Cyclops Inactive Member18 Apr 2012 10:25 a.m. PST

If you've been happy with 40K then why not stick with it? Lose the background and substitute your own.

Farstar Inactive Member18 Apr 2012 10:28 a.m. PST

"if not more" might be tough, given the gonzo nature of some of 40k's armies.

I also like Gruntz. It has unit/model construction up to small dropships and enough variant/optional rules pre-installed that you can make the game run just about any way you like. I've been running it similarly to the current Epic, using alternating activations and limited Overwatch, but I may switch Overwatch to the Battlefield Evolution "Reactions" model instead.

Space Monkey Inactive Member18 Apr 2012 10:51 a.m. PST

Another vote for GRUNTZ.
We've been playing a lot of fantasy skirmish lately but when we cycle back toward scifi GRUNTZ will be high up the 'wanna play' list.

5150 is another favorite that helps you stat up whatever you like.

Also, Rogue Trader (original 40K) oughtta work fine in 15mm. Not hard to build your own guys in that either.

Brother Jim18 Apr 2012 10:56 a.m. PST

Defiance: Vital Ground from Majestic 12 Games.

SheriffLee Inactive Member18 Apr 2012 11:11 a.m. PST

I would say Tomorrow's War and Gruntz. I have my first Gruntz game setup fro my next Wargaming section here is Southern Minnesota at the South of the River Gang. I had one of the playtest versions of Gruntz, but I dropped it for TW. I now paid full version of runtz snd really enjoyed building two armies. Retained Knights are going to be fighting the Orks In Space using runtz and then I will be re-playing the same forces using Tmorrow's War.

doublesix6618 Apr 2012 11:12 a.m. PST

Stargrunt by GZG (ground Zero Games) is not bad for creating your own units and its free

Cyclops Inactive Member18 Apr 2012 11:13 a.m. PST

Fubar might work. It's free so worth a look.

Goober18 Apr 2012 11:33 a.m. PST

Another vote for Gruntz from me. You can create just about any forces and kit you want. Mechanics are simple and fast, and it's cheap and well supported by the designer in the game forums.

I tried Tomorrow's War and just couldn't get on with it – but there are plenty of people who swear by it. Same for Stargrunt.


john lacour Inactive Member18 Apr 2012 11:38 a.m. PST

and gruntz for me,, too. its a great game and i can't say enough about it.

Samulus Inactive Member18 Apr 2012 12:34 p.m. PST

If you want something 40 level (platoon + support) then gruntz and tomorrow war will work well for you. If you want company scale (i.e. FOW scale) then you're kinda screwed. I'm still looking for something good for this scale, critical mass games' ruleset 'critical mass' is next on my hitlist and looks like it delivers. No unit creation rules though.

RTJEBADIA18 Apr 2012 2:19 p.m. PST

Samulus-- maybe modified Crossfire?

Tim White Inactive Member18 Apr 2012 2:22 p.m. PST

Based on what is out right now I agree with Gruntz will be fore you. Tomorrow's war is great too, but the point value system is just in its Beta version, so that might not be something you want to tackle.

Keep an eye out for "Victory Decision Sci-fi" coming out later this year. It will work for 15mm in addition to other scales and will have army creation rules as well:

TMP link


SonofThor Inactive Member18 Apr 2012 2:30 p.m. PST

There are so many great choices, Gruntz is impressive. 5150 is a great game and kind of borders roleplaying/wargaming like 40k Rogue Trader did. Otherwise there's In the Emperor's Name, Beamstrike….

Dragon Gunner18 Apr 2012 2:53 p.m. PST


comstarhpg18 Apr 2012 4:13 p.m. PST

Another vote for Gruntz here as well :)

The builder and game play would suit your needs well :)

Cheers Matt

clkeagle Inactive Member18 Apr 2012 4:45 p.m. PST

@Victor – if you enjoy 40K-style games, your best bets are No Limits, FUBAR, and especially Forge of War. Beamstrike is also worth mentioning; like WH40K, it can trace its roots directly back to Bryan Ansell's Laserburn rules from 1980.

Here's a fairly comprehensive catalog of available rules – free and commercial. link

-Chris K.

Nathaniel18 Apr 2012 8:19 p.m. PST

The only reason I haven't bought Gruntz is that I oppose any sort of DRM/privacy violations so I never buy watermarked PDFs that have my information in them. If my data ever got compromised, I have no desire to get some email from rpgnow or whatever because something ended up on a torrent site. This happened to a friend of mine. He lost a USB stick with his RPG books on it and the guy who found it put it on a torrent site and then the watermark seller threatened to sue him because he was the original buyer.

No DRM. No watermarks. Or no sale.

Anyone know of an online seller that does not use DRM/watermarking for this book? If not I'll wait for a printed book or pass on the rules if that doesn't end up happening. The other alternative is to get a convenience store prepaid credit card and give an alias, but I prefer trust in a business relationship and don't want to have to resort to deception to keep my personal information out of a file.

Rhysius Cambrensis Inactive Member19 Apr 2012 4:27 a.m. PST

Gruntz or USE ME. USE ME is a £3.50 GBP A5 booklet from and is great value for money for fast play easy to use Sci-Fi rules.

Gruntz if you want more flavour etc. Very nice rule set.

Kind Regards,


Eclipsing Binaries19 Apr 2012 4:50 a.m. PST

I've recently decided to rebase my figs from multiple bases in the style of FoW to individual bases. I'm now trying to decide between Tomorrows War or Gruntz. I've heard Gruntz is better than TW but I really prefer a rulebook to look the part and be something I can hold. Is it worth holding out for a printed Gruntz? Does Robin have plans to put his rules into print?

inrepose19 Apr 2012 5:05 a.m. PST

I do have plans to print them… In fact this weekend I am taking the modified Assault and updated items to Salute to give them their first public outing. Once back from the show I will share details with the community to be sure the adjustments for the print version are on track.

So things are getting very close to a print on demand. No date yet though but I am getting much closer.


Crimelord Inactive Member19 Apr 2012 8:45 a.m. PST

For company lvl game try Valkyrie,it's a free download on dropship horizon. It will be a completed (printed) ruleset by the end of the year.

Cyclops Inactive Member19 Apr 2012 2:44 p.m. PST

Forgot about FAD.
Free and a good set.

Victor Kravenhoff Inactive Member20 Apr 2012 10:18 a.m. PST

Thank you all, I'm checking out all those rules. though using 40k rules/units converted to another setting with 15mm sounds like it might be interesting.

Farstar Inactive Member20 Apr 2012 11:14 a.m. PST

The 40k option has advantages if you are trying to win over the locals who will play nothing but.

Nathaniel21 Apr 2012 9:41 a.m. PST

I still think you'd be better off using something simple that has alternating activation and show them you can get superior gameplay.

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