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iceaxe08 Apr 2012 5:03 p.m. PST

Does anyone know if the Cowboy Wars rules (which I don't have) are the same, basically the same or different to the older Warpaint rules (which I have)?

If there are differences, what are they?


Terrement Supporting Member of TMP08 Apr 2012 5:25 p.m. PST

If you like Warpaint, don't worry about Cowboy Wars – which I do have and for which I do not care.

If you don't like Warpaint, I'd recommend you look at all of the following, each of which is good but different in some way from each other – depending on what you want in a game:

The Rules With No Name – free at the Yahoo site, or a prettied up version from Foundry

Six Gun Sound – Blaze of Glory – Two Hour Wargames

Gutshot – Hawgleg Publications

All three of these have a strong following here and on their site or yahoo pages.


Sergeant Paper08 Apr 2012 7:25 p.m. PST

Cowboy Wars bad. No play. Use other rules.

TRNN good, 6GS-BoG good. Gutshot good. Play these.

What's a good set for Cavalry games?

Personal logo GreyONE Sponsoring Member of TMP08 Apr 2012 9:11 p.m. PST

What's a good set for Cavalry games?

Yellow Ribbon? link

and its expansion: Continually Wear Blue: link

Sergeant Paper08 Apr 2012 11:01 p.m. PST

Thank you!

Norman D Landings09 Apr 2012 2:36 a.m. PST

The 'Cowboys Wars' rules are part of the Q-die system games, which all used the same basic mechanics.

I have several of the Q-die rulesets.

They are without doubt some of the most error-strewn, poorly laid-out, inconsistent, bulked-out with repeated filler material, badly edited rubbish you will ever read.

The worst examples are genuinely unplayable.

I don't have Cowboy Wars, so I don't know how bad that particular rulebook is, but I would be amazed if it was any good.

If you're looking at a Q-die rulebook and somebody runs up to you, snatches it out of your hands and dashes it to the floor… buy them a beer.

freewargamesrules09 Apr 2012 6:05 a.m. PST

I too recommend Yellow Ribbon for cavalry rules.

Another cowboy set are Legends of the Old west based on the LOTR strategy game and very easy to pick up.

Terrement Supporting Member of TMP09 Apr 2012 6:33 a.m. PST

I have several of the Q-die rulesets.

They are without doubt some of the most error-strewn, poorly laid-out, inconsistent, bulked-out with repeated filler material, badly edited rubbish you will ever read.

The worst examples are genuinely unplayable.

I spoke to the guy who put them out, having impulse purchased the ones for periods I played (Cowboy, Gladiator, Samurai) with a number of questions, comments and suggestions for "the second edition." He basically blew me off, didn't care about the rules which were simply mashed together quickly and semi-incoherently as "loss leaders" to sell the figs that went with them.


79thPA Supporting Member of TMP09 Apr 2012 8:22 p.m. PST

So they are the milk and bread of the gaming grocery store?
I flipped through them years ago and didn't think they were worth spending money on.

larrythegamer Inactive Member13 Aug 2012 5:47 a.m. PST

I wish I'd researched the rules instead of buying them on a whim online. OG's response to my inquiry about the printing errors was to send me another copy with all the same errors. $40 USD down the drain <<sigh>>. We play Desperado 3, but so heavily modified that it barely resembles the original. If you like rolling five times for each hit, D3 as written is your kind of rules.

skyking20 Inactive Member13 Aug 2012 8:24 a.m. PST

Since we are talking about Old West rules – again – I agree the D3 has too much die rolling. I have also done mods but need help to smooth it out more. Larry the G, are you willing to share what you have done?

John Leahy29 Aug 2012 10:33 p.m. PST

You know I was a huge Desperado gamer back when the 1st edition came out. I was one of the first guys to run it at Historicon back in the early 90's other than the author. I loved it. It simply couldn't handle the size games I wanted to run AND even worse it allowed for card counting. If your figs had used few cards and saw only 6 cards left in the deck you knew you were coming up soon!

That's when I came across TRWNN. The sequence of play along with using the cards and character classes plus abilities made it a truly exceptional game. No card counting here! Frankly, Desperado couldn't hold a candle to it. I never looked back.

My last TRWNN game was on a 16 foot table with 21+ players. Each ran at least 3 characters. We had the War Wagon, James West and Artemus Gordon, The Magnificent Seven, The Man with No Name, Chinese Tong Gang, The Anti-Chinese League, Brazo's County Regulators, Banditos, Federales, Texas Rangers and more. It also had two towns.

I really need to post the video of it.



Razor78 Sponsoring Member of TMP16 Oct 2012 5:34 a.m. PST

So does anyone know where you can get a copy of Yellow Ribbon and Continually Wear Blue?

Personal logo Atomic Floozy Supporting Member of TMP16 Oct 2012 8:43 a.m. PST

You can still get Yellow Ribbon from RAFM miniatures:


I don't know about Contiually Wear the Blue, they don't list it on their site any longer.


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