| Odins Warrior | 23 Mar 2012 2:58 p.m. PST |
With regard to uniform books and such, can "Lace Wars" material be used as a reference for SYW uniforms? If there are differences, are they material like the change of facing colors or minor things like the cut of the coat (which will be con tolled by the mini)? Just curious if they can be used as painting guides for Prussian, French and Austrians. Thanks. |
| Arteis | 23 Mar 2012 3:08 p.m. PST |
"Lace Wars" is a generic term for that whole period, including the Seven Years War. |
| timurilank | 23 Mar 2012 4:16 p.m. PST |
OW, Are you referring to Lace Wars, the two volume work by Fred and Liliane Funcken? If you are looking for Seven Year War uniform specific material, then do look at the offerings from 18rh Century Press; Prussia, Austrian and now Russia has been added to the uniform series. link Good value for the money. I am currently building a SYW French army and the bulk of uniform information has been gleaned from Kronoskaf.com. link Cheers,
Robert
18thcenturysojourn.blogspot.com |
Frederick  | 23 Mar 2012 4:26 p.m. PST |
Uniforms from early in the period were a fair bit different from the later uniforms – not to mention that that the units were often different as well (regiments come, regiments go) I have used the relevant Ospreys but I agree with Robert that Seven Years War project has great material – especially for the French |
| John the OFM | 23 Mar 2012 4:55 p.m. PST |
Well, this
auction
has uniforms from the Marlburian armies up through the French Revolution, depending on the nation involved.
The bulk of the coverage for France and Britain is the War of Austrian Succession and Seven Years War. "Lace Wars" is a cute way of saying that MOST, but not all, of the unifprms had some amount of lace.
Funcken goes in to great dfetail on the actual buttonhole lace for the British. It could be quite complicated and varied by regiment. |
 Der Alte Fritz  | 23 Mar 2012 11:16 p.m. PST |
Guerre en Dentelle sounds so much better than Lace Wars. (shudder!) |
| Big Red | 24 Mar 2012 8:49 a.m. PST |
"Guerre en Dentelle sounds so much better…" Don't dental hygienists take care of that? |
| 138SquadronRAF | 24 Mar 2012 11:11 a.m. PST |
Funcken's "Lace War" is a good overall summary of the 18thC. It has some stronger sections, and some weaker (basically the smaller powers). If you want great details the Pengel & Hunt books are the best source I've found. link |
| abdul666lw | 24 Mar 2012 1:07 p.m. PST |
"Guerre en Dentelle sounds so much better…"
Because of 'Leather and Lace'? The Lace Wars Yahoo group was indeed rated 'adults only' for some months probably because of such confusion 
Then, in the very old French expression 'Guerre en Dentelle' Dentelle indeed refers to the doily-type lace at the shirt collar and cuffs of the officers trying to surpass their counterparts in courtesy ("Shoot first – No, I pray you, shoot first"). The brittle material symbolizing a 'restrained' (and to later eyes somewhat artificial) type of warfare.
While in the English-speaking word 'lace' is Lace Wars' is generally taken as referring to 'ribbon' (French galon) as in buttonhole lace or livery lace. Thus, those who think 'leather & lace' when reading 'Lace Wars' are closer to the historical truth: Dentelle is indeed widely used (I'm told  ) by Victoria's Secret… |
| Narratio | 28 Mar 2012 11:42 p.m. PST |
Thus, those who think 'leather & lace' when reading 'Lace Wars' are closer to the historical truth: Dentelle is indeed widely used (I'm told ) by Victoria's Secret… My brain threw up a picture of every Victorias Secret model carrying a musket, wearing lingerie, and a Grenadier helmet, lined up charging across a field… Sorry, gotta'go lie down for a while. |
| summerfield | 29 Mar 2012 5:54 a.m. PST |
The main changes were
1. Infantry coat had turnbacks and became a tighter fit.
2. The Cuirassier helmet was replaced by the tricorn
3. The Saxon Army went from Red uniforms to white.
4. Reduction in ranks from 6 to 5 to 4 and finally three in the 1740s.
5. Introduction of battalion guns
6. Lightening of artillery.
7. Introduction of Hussars to most countries and their gradual regularisation.
8. Dragoons increasingly became battle cavalry
9. Introduction of light troops and their eventual regularisation later in the century. You can see many of these trends in the books that I have written. Should finish the Prussian Musketeers 1740-86 by June but having a new full time job 300 miles from home has caused much frustration as the books are never in the correct place. Cheers
Stephen
link |
| abdul666lw | 30 Mar 2012 7:04 a.m. PST |
"My brain threw up a picture of every Victorias Secret model carrying a musket, wearing lingerie, and a Grenadier helmet, lined up charging across a field…"
Hope Eureka, Shadowforge or Raging Heroes will seize the inspiration
Many Imagi-Nation builders dream to add a 'Maiden Guard' to their forces; and they are 'imaginative'….
TMP link
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| AICUSV | 05 Apr 2012 6:12 a.m. PST |
The uniforms do appear to be a much tighter fit – judging from the TMP Link. |
| abdul666lw | 06 Apr 2012 5:44 a.m. PST |
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| Come In Nighthawk | 30 Apr 2012 8:01 a.m. PST |
Hmmmmmm, the one French "spy" at the end of that segment -- the one signalling with a torch, and wearing a coat, a half-shift (or camisole), a pair of stockings & garters, and a smile, would make a VERY interesting addition to the Eureka "Imagi-Nation" offerings… :LOL: |
| abdul666lw | 30 Apr 2012 12:00 p.m. PST |
With an empty hand waving hello / good bye she would find her place in any camp vignette
There's many a bonnie lass in the Howe o Auchterless
There's many a bonnie lass in the Garioch
There's many a bonnie Jean in the streets of Aiberdeen
But the floower o' them aw lies in Fyvie-o |
paints brigs for the British fleet.
