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Altius15 Mar 2012 10:58 a.m. PST

Guys,

I'm tired of tossing down pieces of felt as terrain pieces and I want to do something nicer instead. So, with that in mind, I'm putting together some vineyards in 28mm for the ancient period.

I've seen modern vineyards and they support the grapevines on rows of wire, but what would ancient people build to support theirs? Some sort of wooden frame, I'm assuming? Also, do you think a small outbuilding or other structure in the corner of the field would look out of place? This would be in the region of Egypt and Canaan in the late bronze age.

ancientsgamer15 Mar 2012 11:47 a.m. PST

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Above is a link to how they think Egyptian vineyards looked.
Interesting that they say they were surrounded by walls. Probably to keep animals out.

I would imagine that staked plants would have been common. Also, I would think that ropes could have connected stakes to form early types of frameworks for vines to grow. But as you are mentioning bronze age, the above book link should be what you need to start.

Yesthatphil15 Mar 2012 12:03 p.m. PST

Pharaonic scenes show vines trained high enough that you can pick the groups from underneath … There may be some artistic license in that.

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Greek vases seem to show a similar arrangement

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By the Late Medieval period the look is quite familiar

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(detail from Simone Martini)

Pretty much as now.

UpperCanada15 Mar 2012 6:13 p.m. PST

I'm maybe one of the few TMPers that is also a winegrower, and I can highly recommend:

Gods, Men, and Wine.
Younger, William; Laver, James and John N. Hutchinson.
Publisher Information: (Cleveland, Ohio) The Wine and Food Society (1966)

Lagre 8vo. 516 pp. Burgandy cloth binding with dj. Top edge red. With illustrations (16 color plates). Dj chipped and torn in places along edges. Details the history of food and drink througout world history, considering ancient Egypt and the Middle East, Greece, Rome, and various countries during the Middle Ages, Renaissance, Reformation, Victorian, and early American eras. Overall, in good+ condition with good dj.

Early morning writer15 Mar 2012 10:17 p.m. PST

Grape arbors are used to this day – seems they've been around quite some time, then.

oldgamer16 Mar 2012 12:41 p.m. PST

Many of the small Italian neighborhood co-ops use a tripod support for each plant where the main trunk is centered up throught the tripod. They look to be about 2 1/4 meters tall.

Overhead arbors are good and still often used to combine the fruit supply and pergola style shading near the home.

Sometimes you see stand up bush style vineyards (1 – 1 1/2 meters tall) they really just look like short vineyards, save for the ones where they are spaced on 60 degree bias, those look strange to my eye with the multitude of narrow rows.

A storage shed close at hand would fit with any vineyard.

Actually, depending on the slavery status you might find a small hovel for the slave viticulturist for a vine yard and his family.

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