"If you had a Time Machine how would you alter Waterloo" Topic

Gazzola,

Snuffing out a potentially hostile and disruptive new state created by your enemy on territory that you regard as yours seems like a very good approach.

The rest of your post is pretty much irrelevant to the discussion as it is rather obvious why the majority of the Poles threw in their lot with Napoleon; he was the best option available and promised them what they wanted, although he then let them down rather badly.

Yes, Chlapowski's memoir does need to be used with care; however, the point is that his view on Napoleon is indicative of that in many contemporary Polish memoirs and documents.

Poland, which Poland?
The Polish empire which almost linked the Baltic with the black sea?
The Dutchy of Warsaw?
1918-39 Poland?
Modern Poland?

Poland was just a place where the Prussians the Russians and the Austrians could trade provinces without giving away their loyal subjects. The Austrians threw in their hand in 1918, the huns in 1945 and the Russians only recently. As preposterous idea as a united India.

The great folly of the Alies was destroying the Confederation of the Rhine. If a Catholic west Germany had been allowed to counter balance Prussia we might not have all those jolly hordes in field grey and bizarre cammo to shoot up in the 20th C.

I would have made sure the Belgium Government did not scrape off the top of the ridge of allied position, and then making a large mound of dirt and put that crappy Lion Monument up there.

:) Now that may have changed things, Rhineland & Prussia – they'd have probably got together though. Maybe.

I've been up that Lion Mound – good view, but reminded me that I'm not 21 anymore …

Nah peeler, the French, the brits and the Austrians would have been hanging around Rhineland like dogs round a bitch in heat. The Austrians whispering sweet catholic nothings in German – why have fatwurst from the swamps of Prussia when I have this luverly sacher tort with a cup of coffee any civilised person would be happy to drink.

Wudda slowed Prussia's industrialisation down a bit too.

Agreed on the Lion Mound – but that was Sharpe's fault, shouldn't have bagged Prince Willy.

Hey, I have just read a magic PM from the OP, is it a Gulag offence to quote PM's?

The great folly of the Allies was destroying the Confederation of the Rhine. If a Catholic west Germany had been allowed to counter balance Prussia we might not have all those jolly hordes in field grey and bizarre cammo to shoot up in the 20th C.

But the "Allies" were Prussia and its buddy Russia. And arrangements had already been made to Prussian-ize the Rhineland, just as soon as Napo had been kicked out of France.

Austria had its hands full grabbing Galicia back and keeping a little chunk of Saxony in existence as a buffer state between itself and Prussia.

colinjalen

As you say in your own post -'territory that you regard as your own' That's the whole point, it wasn't their territory – it belonged to the Poles

'Snuffing out a potentially hostile and disruptive new state' – oh yeah, and how hostile and disrupitve could the Polish state have been without the support of Napoleon and France. Nah, they were just greedy, as they were before and after Napoleon's reign.

The allies almost went to war over carving up Poland and Britain, Austria and France signed a secret treaty in which they would go to war, to prevent the carve up by Russia and Prussia. The Allies also carved up Saxony. It is revenge and greed, nothing else. No wonder the Poles revolted later on. Give them a time machine and most of them would have gone back in time and helped Napoleon win.

Ok Gazzola,

There is no point discussing this with you.

Damn!

Just read the FAQ, cant quote the PM.

Go on, ; you know you want to:).

Colin now you know that Grizzlymc can't do that WITHOUT the posters permission,since it's in a PM and that's where it should stay.

You can't quote it. But you can paraphrase?

Does it say you can't pm the quote to other people?

Alternatively Captain give him permission?

Edwulf here's the answer:

Please don't without permission of the original author.

And no Edwulf I won't give permission.

Fair enough.

I will have to imagine it.

How can someone with 164 stifles be allowed to continue posting on this forum? All for free speech but surely such a level of obnoxiousness is ? Is it really just about web hits and traffic? Does the editor take no action because a "juicy row" produces more posts than nice people talking nicely to each other? How sad if that is the case.

Enry Mitchell

165 – do get it right. It might be important to someone

And I don't think anyone wants a website full of yes people – dispute, debate, disscusion, argument – without any malice, is good for the soul and won't do anyone any harm.

I've never sent a post with any malice intended. Of course, I can't say the same for those sometimes posted to me. But that's a sad reality of life and some people just can't cope with people seeing things different to how they see it.

Enry

If you find his posts totally intolerable you could make it 166. Personally, I would never give someone the satisfaction.

Colin is right but I won't
Edwulf is right and I will.

The PM that is so desperate to conceal from the world suggests that

I would have made sure the Belgium Government did not scrape off the top of the ridge of allied position, and then making a large mound of dirt and put that crappy Lion Monument up there.

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Ermm..The Belgium..Government?

Grizzly,

Welcome to the weird world of Corporal Giddy:).

My usual preference is for watermelons at 20 paces, although my ongoing quest to fight a duel using hot air balloons and red wine is going rather well.

It looks like someone has made it 166.

No ladies, Handbags at 5 paces surely?

And as for Gazzola's stifle count I am with him on this one – just because someone objects to your views doesn't mean you should shut up – else what is the whole point of a discussion! If folk don't want to be disagreed with they should stick to muttering under their breath as they hang around outside bottle shops…

Or it could be that I am biased as I have easily twice his stifles – the amateur!

Sparker

I think some people must get a sense of power or something by using the stifle. And I suppose it must be easier for them to ignore people who offer a challenge and who might rock their comfy boat, rather than face them. And yet all they had to do was not post a reply? Sad, isn't it?

But how the heck did you get that many stifles? You are the master and lot to learn, I have!

Gazz

The sense of comes from watching your own stifle count rising . Each time I get a new stifle I can feel .

Hot air balloons and red wine – so it was YOU Julie was two timing with then?

Oh and Gazz
Master is he, stifles of many accruing has he for the past got but of what to the future of we can to see?

Julie? She told me her name was Mary!

sparker 258 stifles! Wow that makes Gazz look like a benign presence – I repeat my earlier question to the editor, how can this clear abuse of the forum be tolerated? How many pleasant, gentle people have been driven away from it for the sake of notching up traffic from yet another dull squabble caused by trolling?

And to Sparker and Gazzola I ask DO YOU REALLY THINK hundreds of other people are wrong and you are right? That the way you converse with other people is pefectly acceptable? Or do you just have some personal gripe with TMP and want to ruin it – and every new stifle comes like a tick for a job well done?

I dunno some people stifle over the smallest thing. Offensiveness is immaterial.

It might mean they've dared to disagree with a hundred thin skinned s.

I don't stifle as a rule. I wouldn't want to be in a place where everyone echos my opinions.

Want the French to win Waterloo?? All you have to do is call in THIS GUY – CHUCK NORRIS…

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Enry Mltchell

I agree with you, stifle could be considered as a form of abuse. But it is probably the same group of people making the stifles.

But are you suggesting that I should just agree with people, even if I don't, incase they run away or incase it might upset them? What nonsense. They don't have to reply to my posts or agree or disagree with what I say, in the same way that I don't have to reply to their posts or agree or disagree with them.

Bring down TMP? What in the world are you talking about? You would have to be a little loose in the head if you wanted to do that! If someone can't persuade me that my viewpoint on a matter is wrong, then that's their problem, they should learn to live with it.

I don't run away or stifle because other people have different viewpoints to mine. I accept their viewpoints. It is a shame others can't seem to accept mine and they should perhaps, ask themselves why they can't? But some people on TMP have made me think again about certain matters, but that's what debate is all about – either the discussions and arguments convince you or they dont. Most haven't, so far.

There should be no malice intended or taken by anyone involved in the various discussions. There is none taken or meant on my part. Life is too short to let a discussion forum affect your life in anyway. Happy wargaming to you anyway.

huevand011

Are you suggesting that he has a time machine? Come on, out with it?

Grizzlymc

If you feel that way with 27 stifles, I not sure how you would survive if you reached my stifle count, let alone Sparkers total!

Are you suggesting that he has a time machine? Come on, out with it?

Chuck Norris doesn't need a time machine. He just kicks down the barriers of the 4th dimension and goes directly to whatever time he wishes.

I dunno, some people are pretty soft. Can't believe Sparker has so many stifles. I've never seen him get abusive or bully anyone on here.

How many pleasant, gentle people have been driven away from it?

too few.

Pat

I am also baffled by Sparker' s stifles as he seems a very pleasant chap. Perhaps he has been stifled by ex-Pongos who are jealous that he was in a far superior service;).

ROFL. And up goes Colins stifle count. :oP

Julie? She told me her name was Mary!

She'd tell youanything to get her way: redhead, big b oobies, heroic figure, libido the size of the great outdoors – right?

The BITCH!

And to Sparker and Gazzola I ask DO YOU REALLY THINK hundreds of other people are wrong and you are right? That the way you converse with other people is pefectly acceptable? Or do you just have some personal gripe with TMP and want to ruin it – and every new stifle comes like a tick for a job well done?

No. Next question?

Can't believe Sparker has so many stifles. I've never seen him get abusive or bully anyone on here.

I am also baffled by Sparker' s stifles as he seems a very pleasant chap.

Aw Gee fellas, shucks…

Perhaps he has been stifled by ex-Pongos who are jealous that he was in a far superior service;)

Clearly you are perceptive and wise, as well as fiendishly handsome, in a rugged, manly kind of way, a man equally at home on the quarter deck of a full rigged 74 rounding the Cape in the teeth of the roaring forties as you are entertaining Royalty….Probably an ex Naval Officer and Gentleman yerself, I'll warrant?

Actually a former marine engineer officer so definitely not a gentleman:). I suspect that I would have been spectacularly useless on the quarterdeck of a 74 and my one encounter with royalty was a slight disaster. I am also rather unhandsome.

Apart from that, you were spot on:).

Sparker

Colinjallen just does not get what you mean by your post. Very sad really. And it is no use joking with him, as he seems more interesting in picking fights and insulting those who dare to disagree with him. The even sadder part is that he is taking everything ever so seriously. I think, rather than being on a discussion site, he thinks he's at war!

But he makes me laugh so perhaps the best thing is to just laugh at his posts. I'm sure he'll calm down eventually and realise no one else is being so serious and they're certainly not making malicious posts.

And personally, I suggest he play a wargame, get rid of some of that excessive aggression. He'll feel much better for it and might even laugh at some of his own posts, like the rest of us.

Happy wargaming to you.

John,

You really do not understand humour, do you? I suspect that Sparker and just about everyone else got the tone of the post; it is something called self-deprecating humour (and a healthy dose of realism).

Try to give up attempting to be a cyber-bully; you are not very good at it;). You also really need to work on your self-awareness.

Very sad really

If I hear that phrase again, I'm going to puke.

Maybe worth looking at this link:

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Just saying …

By the way, from where I'm sitting, I don't see any 'cyber-bullying'. Instead, I see two parties who are equally abusive to each other across TMP. You can't raise the 'cyber-bullying' card when you're both repeatedly giving as good as you get. I suggest you both simply ignore each other.

Apart from that, you were spot on:)

LOL! – Bit like my intel briefs really….

@ Gazzola – Dont worry mate, Colly and I are cool – just 2 ex matelots being silly….

Arteis

Yes, I've just said in another thread that enough is enough and that most of my posts are tongue in cheek. I've never taken anything he (or anyone else for that matter) seriously.

But I think colinjallen sees himself as some kind of internet hero out to save others from those he sees as Cyber-bullies. But it is just people agreeing or disagreeing, so, according to him, there are an awful lot of Cyber-bullies out there.

I don't think we should ignore each other. Better to agree to disagree. Others have done it, I've done it, but I'm not sure colinjallen can do it. Very sad really – oops, sorry that slipped out!

Happy wargaming or playing or whatever you want to call it.

colinjallen

I think you see insulting and throwing abuse as humour, but only if it is you doing the abusing. You can't cope if it is the other way around.

Someone has suggested we just ignore each other – but I don't think that is necessary. I can agree to disagree. You might not be able to, but that's your problem.

But the Cyber-bullying rubbish was funny, I'll give you that.

Happy wargaming.

Sigh, he just cannot help himself!

colinjallen

And there is the proof. After all, you did not have to post anything, did you? You could have left it and moved on. But no you had to get the last word in. Feel better now? I do hope so.

Tell you what, if you don't post a reply to this post, since there isn't really any need, I won't post either. That sound okay with you?

Happy wargaming.

Lol! So why did you post then? Could you not have left it?

I now know what I would have done.

I would have gone back in time, bought the land and BUILT A THEME PARK ON IT.

And people would be just noticing today.

Pat

I would probably have suggested that they make the concourse bigger and integrate the two stations into one.

Poland was the birthplace of true Democracy in Europe which was corrupted and fell…

Poland was the playground and battle zone for most of Europe. Had they the time to develope and organize on their own, they would have been "the" major power in Europe.

All of the other countries around them knew that and all of them continuiously tried to annex or destroy it as an independant nation. The Polish fighting force was one of the best in all of Europe, who can truely contest that?

Had they but the time to rise from the ashes of their original corruption, from which they were manipulated into failure by surrounding nations, they would have been a power indeed, but alas, that was not to be.

Just my 2 cents…

Oh, I probably wouldn't change a thing though… it is dangerous playing with time.