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Buckeye AKA Darryl04 Mar 2012 10:54 a.m. PST

I am looking for a source for 15mm flags for the Papal States, circa 1850-1870. I ASS-U-ME that they carried standards of some sort, based only on the fact that Quick Reaction Force has standard bearers in their Pontifical range.

Anyone make these?

Waco Joe04 Mar 2012 11:02 a.m. PST

Pontifical Zouaves:

picture

Swiss:

picture

Lots of good info on that blog in general.

Oops forgot the link:
link

Travellera04 Mar 2012 11:12 a.m. PST

link?

SECURITY MINISTER CRITTER04 Mar 2012 11:57 a.m. PST

Interesting stuff.

Oh Bugger04 Mar 2012 1:23 p.m. PST

Very interesting indeed.

John the Greater05 Mar 2012 12:09 p.m. PST

From the Flags of the World website.

link

This is one of my favorite sites for flags.

vitrier05 Mar 2012 3:49 p.m. PST

Whilst the three figures shown in the first illustration posted by Waco Joe are indeed Pontifical (or Papal) Zouaves, the banner held by the man in the bottom right hand corner is not a flag of the Papal States. A clue lies in the wording on the banner "Coeur de Jesus – Sauvez la France." Following the entry of Italian forces into Rome on 20 September 1870 and the resulting extinction of the temporal power of the Pope, the French soldiers serving in the Papal Zouaves were repatriated to France. There they offered their services to the new French republic. As a concession to French anticlerical and republican sentiment, they changed their name from "Papal Zouaves" to the more anodyne "Volunteers of the West" but kept their old grey Papal Zouave uniforms. They were provided with a special banner (shown here) made by the nuns of the convent of Paray-le-Monial.

The Papal Zouaves' great moment came on 2 December 1870 at the battle of Loigny, when 300 of them made a heroic charge in a vain attempt to turn the tide of the battle in France's favour. At least five successive bearers of the sacred banner were killed or wounded in the action.

During their earlier service in the Papal army, the Zouaves appear to have carried a plain white and yellow flag similar to that carried by Swiss infantry in Waco Joe's other illustration.

mashrewba06 Mar 2012 5:16 a.m. PST

Does anyone do thses in 28mm -I know there are ACW Zouaves in kepi but I like French back packs and kepis which are slightly different (I think??)

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