Tango01  | 28 Feb 2012 2:40 p.m. PST |
" The scene represents a piquero of Spanish infantry avoiding the boarding of the galleon Santa Teresa in the battle of the Dunes, which took place on 21 October 1639 near the coast of Kent's county (England), between the Spanish and Dutch navy" By Jesus Gamarra from Spain.
Much more pics here
link Main page of Jesus Gamarra.
jesusgamarra.blogspot.com
(The text is in english too). Question: Those Spanish Piqueros that went on board, had an special training like the british Marine infantry?.
Or they simple pick up some unit of Piqueros and send them to warships? Thanks in advance for your guidance. Amicalement
Armand |
| Bill N | 28 Feb 2012 6:03 p.m. PST |
Great job. Not trying to be pendantic but I think you mean the Battle of the Downs in 1639 where Tromp with a Dutch fleet beat the Spanish. Battle of the Dunes usually refers to two land actions, one in 1600 where Maurice defeated the Spanish and one in 1658 where a royal French and Commonwealth English army under Turenne defeated an army of Spanish with support from English royalists and French rebels under Conde. |
| MajorB | 29 Feb 2012 1:58 a.m. PST |
but I think you mean the Battle of the Downs in 1639 It's not Armand's site, he's just quoting what it says.
Thus are historical inaccuracies propounded until they become veritable truth! |
| John the Greater | 29 Feb 2012 11:09 a.m. PST |
True. The closest I could come to "downs" is Spanish is "llanuras", which is closer in meaning to plains as a down is sort of a rolling grassland. Why the word is also used for a roadstead on the coast of England is a mystery to me. The pictures are great, by the way. But I don't know the answer to Armand's question. |
| Tercio Idiaquez | 01 Mar 2012 9:14 a.m. PST |
The training was the same. There were not big differences.
The most important is that the on-board Tercios prefered the "half-pike", so it was more easy to manage inside the boat. There were two "different" marines units: permanent from 1537 certain companies of soldiers from the old seagoing companies from the sea of Naples to the galleys stationed in the Mediterranean, who became oldest marine infantry in the world.
Several years later Philip II added the Tercio Nuevo of the Sea of Naples, the Tercio of the Armada of the Ocean, the Tercio of Galleys of Sicily and the Tercio Viejo of the Ocean and of Neapolitan Infantry. Besides, the "land" Tercios could be assigned to on board duties. |
| Tango01 | 01 Mar 2012 10:29 a.m. PST |
Gracias Tercio Idiaquez for your guidance. Do you know if those Piqueros had to made some work on board?
Or they only wait their turn to fight in case of a boarding attemp from their enemy?
Guess that in case you had to boarding a ship by a little breach (like in the diorama) it was impossible against those Pikes!. Amicalement
Armand |
| Tercio Idiaquez | 02 Mar 2012 6:13 a.m. PST |
I don´t know exactly the answer, but the spanish soldier in the age was too "superb" to do any task without relation with the combat.
For example, in "Corsarios de Levante", one of the Alatriste books (Pérez Reverte), the on board soldier didnt´want to resea although were in danger in front of the turks vessels. It was another age… |
| Tango01 | 02 Mar 2012 9:54 a.m. PST |
Muchas gracias otra vez Tercio!.
From which part of Spain you belong? Amicalement
Armand |
| Tercio Idiaquez | 02 Mar 2012 12:17 p.m. PST |
From the "foro" :), Madrid. |
| Tango01 | 02 Mar 2012 9:13 p.m. PST |
Barrio Chamberí… 2 and a half years there. Amicalement
Armand |
