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14Bore15 Feb 2012 4:39 p.m. PST

What are the average figures in your Russian battalions? I started Inf bat. With 12 figures but have dwindled them down to 9 – 11. Jagers 8, a couple at 9 and 10. Grenadiers 9 – 11. The big question brought up in another post was paper strength or actual. Just wondering what anyone else has come up with.

dam040915 Feb 2012 5:15 p.m. PST

32. 24 if you converge the grenadiers

Glengarry 315 Feb 2012 7:03 p.m. PST

12, 4 companies of 3 figures. I can depend on the period, the Russians also suffered horribly during the retreat from Moscow and many battalions by 1813 in Germany were seriously understrength.

Timbo W15 Feb 2012 7:11 p.m. PST

20 somewhat bizarrely, which is a bad number for most formations but my opponent's French were in 24s at the time.

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian15 Feb 2012 9:09 p.m. PST

"back in the day" (Empire III) it was 8 figure battalions and 16 figure Regiments (Guard Battalions were 12).

WarDepotDavid16 Feb 2012 8:47 p.m. PST

8 for Empire.

And I have 32 as I use 1:15 ratios.

pancerni217 Feb 2012 10:55 a.m. PST

16 per battalion.


Bandit20 Feb 2012 12:35 p.m. PST

At 1:60, I'd imagine a lot of 9 figure battalions. In 1806-1807 nearly all of the Russian battalions end up being 8-9 figures with a handful of 12s and a handful of 6s which should likely be combined into 12s.


The Bandit

marshalGreg13 Apr 2012 12:46 p.m. PST

I wouldn't get hung up on the exact number.
As long as they are ~ same size as the French it should be ok.
I am building mine at 12 with the ability to combine for lower command level play (other rules as well)
If one looks at most campaigns with the two after 1807 and French reform the 6 cos…. the sizes of the btns were equivalent in actual the battles.

As mentioned by others… the size also depends on level of play you attend on.
IE Corps LvL commands… use 12, as Div. LvL play 24, as a Brigade or regimental commander 36 etc.
Essentially, using the same number of Figs, per player, per table area at each of the different lvls. That is the nice part of Empire and with the chart layout allows ("the bad being" – it takes much time and familiarity to move at a good rate to finish a game. ( Russian 2 DIV corps 24 btnsx12=288 or DIV of 12 btns x 24 = 288 or Brigade command at 4 x36 or 48 = 192 figs in same area of table for the player

Bandit18 Jun 2012 7:29 p.m. PST

Well, I disagree about "make em the same size of the French" based on my reading. Local superiority on the table top matters just as it did on the battlefield. Averaging with a division or within a corps is different than averaging across an entire army or theater.

Now you can't always get battalion returns, or division returns, or corps returns. But the more you can the better.


The Bandit

Austin Rob09 Aug 2012 9:18 a.m. PST

Well, a lot depends on when in the 1812 to 1815 time frame. At the beginning of the 1812 campaign, the regiments were close to full strength. By Borodino they were pretty depleted and by the end of the retreat there were regiments with as few as 200 men in the regiment.

In the spring of the 1813 the army was still very much understrength, as reserves had not caught up yet. But after the armistice the infantry and cavalry were again up to nearly full strength for the Fall campaign.

By the end of the 1813, the Russian troops were again depleted, but the pause at the Rhine in the winter allowed the reserves to catchup and the Russian army was again brought to full strength in time for the Winter 1814 campaign.

So, 8 figs per regiment up to 12 fig per battalion would be appropriate for various times.

Joes Shop Supporting Member of TMP07 Nov 2012 2:48 p.m. PST


1968billsfan Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2013 4:52 a.m. PST

Why get hung up on exactly matching the number of figures, the size of the stands and their basing? Slight variations of these has subtle effects on how the rules, you are using, play out. A cheap easy way to add "chrome" and detail to the game, without extra and larger rules tables.

Davout197212 Feb 2013 12:15 p.m. PST

8 is what I use.

Fredloan05 Mar 2013 8:18 p.m. PST

16 per battalion

14Bore29 Mar 2013 3:39 p.m. PST

Adding up my figures and comparing to list by Alexander Mikaberidze in the Napoleon series of the Borodino OOB I am over in VI Corp which should come out to 12,500 men equaling to 208 figures in 1 = 60. My Corp has 235 infantry figures and 72 guns. My V Corp is under but suspects it could be the only one with 17,250 men which comes to 287 figures in 21 battalions, but the list has 22 Battalions. I have only 228 figures but am missing 2 3rd Battalions and have only 8 figures in jagers regiments and don't have the so Astrakhan cuirassier Regt so that could be the discrepancy. My IV Corp is only a couple figures off but have the later full complement of three brigades.

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