"Fireforge Teutonics" Topic

So, I only found out about these today:

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I was in my local store (Wayland's Forge in Birmingham (UK)) purchasing a couple of boxes of Perry Miniatures, and during a discussion about various options for Bretonnian troops, was pointed in the direction of the above figures. Now I don't know anything about the period in question, but I have to say, these looked STUNNING!!! The horses were full of character and movement, the caparisons(?) on the horses flow as if the horses are charging and the wind is billowing through them. There is a very good mix of helms and weapons included in the box.

Size wise, unfortunately, I didn't have anything to compare them with, but they did look like they would fit very well with the Perry figures.

These will definitely be playing no small role in my up and coming Bretonnian army!

Ryan
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Twice today I have come across these being mentioned.

The first was via redzed who turned them into undead link

Actually those are from another companies Norman Knights set, the Fireforge stuff just came out and those are from middle of last year.

@Andrew ?????WTH??????

The OP was referring to the very new set of plastic mounted Teutonic Knights on offer by Fireforge.

The link to "redzed's" site was to a great post (and great conversion skills) using parts from (in his own words) Conquest Games' plastic Normans, Mantic Games' Zombies and Ghouls, and Gripping Beast's Vikings and Saxons, all of which have been out for some time and have nothing to do with Teutonic Knights.

Mistaken cross-post or just an "oops!" moment?

Bill
Sir William the Aged

Yeah, those are nice. I really like the horses on them. Hopefully they match up size-wise with the Perrys.

burlesonbill: I agree, the link has nothing to do with the plastic teutonics and had me confused for a moment.

any idea about what set of decals would be usable with the Teutonic's ?

Alex, waiting for his box

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Size comparison.

Pogoame,

I just ordered from Little Big Man studios

The item is for Curtneys Tuetonics – Med(CYS)11 (LBMS CURT001)
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Cost £10.00 GBP for enough transfers to do 12 knights and their bardings.

Mick

@10thfoot

what are you comparing ???

@Mick in Switzerland

can you give feedback on how well they fit ?

Alex

Dear Pogame

Yes – but I only ordered them last night, so it may be a week or two.

Mick

what are you comparing ???

Only a guess, but from those extended rear legs, a Crusader Minis 13th century horse?

They look great! I have always liked the look of the Teutonic Knights – now I gots to get me some

Thanks for posting!

Must wake up before posting!

Sorry folks

Are these being made by Renedra?
The sprues look like others who work there (Perry, Gripping Beast, etc)

Mick, they are being made by Renedra, yes.

Andrew, it happens to the best of us. Some of us, all the time! lol

It's nice to see the same enthusiasm for them as I have! :-)

Cheers
Ryan

It's nice to see the same enthusiasm for them as I have! :-)

One of the lasting joys of this hobby, getting inspired by something new and sharing the enthusiasm.

@pogoame

The original poster had nothing to compare against, but knows Bretonnians.

I provided a comparison.

Sorry it wasn't up to scratch.

Here are some other possible LBMS transfer sets
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Does anybody have ideas for foot troops to match these. I have seen Crusader Crusaders and they look a good possibility.
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Gripping Beast Teutonics are a more cartoony style of sculpt so I am not sure whether they will work together.

Has anybody seen these figures together?

Mick

Does anybody have ideas for foot troops to match these. I have seen Crusader Crusaders and they look a good possibility.

I believe you are correct. And, North Star has a standard worldwide 10% shipping rate on them. And, last I heard anyway, free worldwide through February.

I am still hoping to get an order in before the deadline…

My Fireforge Teutonic Knights arrived today. I have built two horses and one man so far. These are really good. This is one of the best plastic kits available. The LBMS Transfers (LBMS CURT001) look like they will fit.

They look perfect for fantasy as well as historical. The box comes with a huge variety of weapons, 12 cloaks, 12 horned helmets and 8 normal helmets.

I have assembled 8 and undercoated them with GW skull white spray.

Assembly was easy but you have to take care with a few points. The left side horse foot needs trimming so that it sits nicely on the floor and the body pins go together correctly. The cloak neck needs trimming so that some of the helmets sit properly.

I compared them with my other figures. Sculpting is very similar to the Perry sculpts.

Size is similar to GW LOTR and Perry Agincourt which is just slightly larger than Perry Crusades. The difference is not noticable from a meter away and even close up could be explained by armoured knights riding larger horses.

The transfers (LBMS CURT001) do fit but will require some cutting as the horse barding has curves and folds. Also the shield shapes are not quite the same as the transfers.

I'd bought mine last week, but haven't even had chance to study them in major detail (LOTR High Elves and old school Warhammer High Elves to get done first!!) So thanks for the Info Mick!

10th foot: Thanks for the comparison!

Cheriton: Couldn't agree more (re the enthusiasm comment!

I think I will be using these guys for my Barons war project.

cheers
Matt

Good call Matt – they are ideal for 2nd Barons' War

Mick in Switzerland

My Fireforge Teutonic Knights arrived today

A couple of questions if I am not too late…

1) Do you know whether, like the Perry plastic horses, there is the possibility of mixing and matching left & right horse sides to get a few extra (believable) poses? Also, any reason the horses could not be used as is for 1410?

2) I take it that these are definitely 13th century throughout. Any feeling about whether using late 14th century heads could be convincing fro 1410? I suspect the riders' surcoats are too long, but possible to modify?

TIA…

@Cheriton,
The horses have 2 lefts and 2 rights, 2 tails and 3 heads, so you can get in theory 24 variants in total. However, the variants are subtle as all are left leg forward. I have 8 built and they look OK.

The horses could be use up to 1430s as far as I know. As I recall obvious heraldry stopped being popular after snipers started to shoot prominent knights. This started at Orleans in 1431 where several English officers were shot.

The figures are all in mail arms and legs with long surcoats, so I would say Late Crusades / Feudal Period (1200 to 1350).

Fireforge have two more packs in progress for release soon. Their Facebook page has 12 pictures that look like box artwork. They are 1200-1300 Templars, Hospitalers, 1350 HYW Crecy period and 1480 Burgundian Wars period.

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Mick

I'm looking forward to the Crecy period figures! I will definately find some use for those in my Bretonnian army! :-)

I found some Teutonic Banners here
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Go to Downloads and then Crusades.

2) No, these are well too early for fifteenth century (1410) and would still need a lot of attention to be modernised for Crecy etc.

It wasn't sniping that drove away surcoats, as they were still accompanied by their personal standard on the battlefield and the quality of their armour made them fairly obvious. It was the need for smooth lines (on the white armour) to deflect kenetic strikes. Cloth tends to snag and surcoats were rare by the end of the thirteenth century, which was well before Orleans.

Dear Janner,
I think you misunderstood my post. I meant that the horses are OK for up to 1430 but the riders are equiped for 1200 to 1350.
Mick

Mick in Switzerland:

@Cheriton,
The horses have 2 lefts and 2 rights, 2 tails and 3 heads, so you can get in theory 24 variants in total. However, the variants are subtle as all are left leg forward. I have 8 built and they look OK.

Thanks for your comments right on my line of questioning. Any reason why these figures could not be used for the Scottish Wars 1296-1314 period?

Cheers,

Dear Cheriton,

I think they would work very well for the Scottish Wars. You would need to remove the Teutonic style "horns & wings" from the helmets.

As far as I can recall English & Scottish Knights had animal emblems and ribbons on top of their helmets. However, I do not know whether that was considered as parade ground wear of battle equipment.

From the Fireforge facebook page, I suspect that they will produce some more sets of Knights and Infantry for Crecy soon. They would probably be even better for the Scottish Wars.

BUILDING TIP
The flowing cloaks, weapons and scabbards can make the figures quite wide. As you build them take care that they do not go over the edge of the base. I have a few restrictions as some will not fit side by side as units.

Mick

Sorry Mike, yes I'd read it differently.

On your later post, I think opinion is mixed on helmet furniture with recent papers favouring the unadorned. Personally, I've always doubted the use of large crests on the terms of practicality for close combat as opposed to a tourney, but people do all sorts of strange things to keep in fashion ;-)

@Mick in Switzerland

Decals specially for FireForge Teuts

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Alex

@pogoame

That transfer sheet looks excellent. Pity I already bought transfers.

For everybody else, here is a direct link for the Battle Flag Fireforge Teutonic Sheet on the manufacturers website.
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Mick

only thing that holds me back is the price, about as much as the figs themselves

Alex