"15mm Rifts?" Topic

Does anyone have any suggestions for good proxies dogboys and SAMAS power armor?

Dogboys would be Protolene with a few headswaps from RAFM.

Nothing like the SAMAS suit in 15mm that I've seen, but not difficult to convert.

Actually the Scene had some not-SAMAS suits in 15mm, as well as Coalition jetbikes.

Rifts in 15mm would be a great idea! I bet you would see some new life back in that system if they came out with skirmish rules and 15mm minis along with it.

Rifts in 15mm would be a great idea! I bet you would see some new life back in that system if they came out with skirmish rules and 15mm minis along with it.

It would also help if Kevin sold off the rights and washed his hands of it.

That would assume that Palladium thinks the system needs revitalizing, which I doubt.

Past behavior also suggests that The Scene and just about anyone who dares make a wheeled APC would see rapidfire C&D letters if Palladium's attention were drawn, as their claims of originality and willingness to defend themselves make GW's IP protestations look positively relaxed.

Actually, though not an exact match, Brigade Models South African Confederation Rhino MBT has similar body lines to the Mk.V APC.

Ooh, always liked the setting but my friend who actually had the books just kept teasing us about actually starting a game. I'm half tempted to buy the books just to see what could be sufficiently proxied using existing rule sets in 15mm.

Actually the Scene had some not-SAMAS suits in 15mm, as well as Coalition jetbikes.

I take it this means they aren't available anymore?

Actually the Scene had some not-SAMAS suits in 15mm, as well as Coalition jetbikes.

I take it this means they aren't available anymore?

I guess not… haven't seen them up in the store for a while. I assume he got hit with another C&D…

Yeah, unfortunately, Palladium (a.k.a. Kevin Siembieda) is extraordinarily protective of their IP to ridiculous levels. Last I checked, they would go after fan sites publishing Rifts compatible stats for fan works. Even GW doesn't go that far.

Still, someone could get a lot of mileage publishing a game setting that borrows heavily from Rifts' concepts. I mean, a game where you can have Dragons, Cyborgs, Wizards, and Mecha all fighting on the same side vs post-apocalyptic mecha Nazis and their hordes of mutants and psychics? Hell yeah!

kevin siembieda is one huge ,

that guy fancies himself a Steve Jackson or a Gary Gygax while his 'games' are nothing but unwieldy crapola mish-mashes with huge scope for power players, rules-lawyery and each and every affront any sane GM has endured in the last 37 years of RPG history,

his game mechanics are ludicrous and obviously borrowed from AD&D 1st edition, with 1-20 lvls and experience tables for each 'character class', jeez, that concept was ALREADY OLD in 1988!!!!!

And then he kept ripping off each and every system/game setting:

Call of Cthulhu – Beyond the Supernatural

TOP SECRET – JAMES BOND 007 RPG – Ninjas & Superspies

White Wolf WoD – Nightspawn

and on, and on…

a true HACK!!!!!

I don't blame him for moving the (bad) PRPG rules into other genres, but he also takes undeserved credit for having the first multi-genre game system.

Calling PRPG a "system" is already an insult to the rest of the industry. As published it remains a primitive, unfinished dinosaur of a game, still clearly dependent on prior knowledge of D&D to fill in the gaps.

While it predates one of the two most famous multi-genre systems (GURPS), it is the same age as Hero/Champions, and certainly does not predate Chaosium's BRP (1978 as Runequest) or the game GURPS is descended from (TFT, 1977), both of which also went multi-genre. BRP went multi-genre (with Call of Cthulhu in 1981) the same year Palladium published their first game (Mechanoid Invasion). Palladium went multi-genre in 1983 with fantasy, while BRP had espoused the same idea of universal mechanics with Worlds of Wonder in 1982.

Sorry Kevin.

I agree completely with Gypsycomet.

Ah, to show you how inconstant I am, after having called K. Siembieda a hack and a 'bleep!', yesterday after the weekly afternoon sessio of "Song of Ice and Fire" I stopped at my friend's place to watch him and his second RPG group play at, guess what?, RIFTS in the evening.

Despite ALL of the failings in the system, I enjoyed the flairy way the GM handled the situations and before leaving I asked him if he could accomodate me as an extra player as soon as the situation allowed it.

Now, what kind of charachter could I play?

;-D

Wasn't a bunch of his stuff stolen a few years ago. Orginal paints and such? Anyone know the outcome of it.

Not quite…a guy accounting for his company embezzled and lost lots and lots of money (several hundreds of thousands of dollars) and to keep his business afloat he was forced to issue a rally-cry "Buy stuff directly from me!" and doing some other special initiatives like releasing sets of autographed illustrations and such.

In the end the guy who swindled him out of his money settled for probation and gave him back just 47,000 bucks in exchange for him forfeiting any additional claim for compensation.

Poor Kevin had to grab those to face some imminent payment deadlines and as such said good-bye to the rest of his money for good.

That's sad, but after all he still released a clunker of a gaming system in different derivative 'settings'.

Thank, I couldn't remember anymore what happened.

I liked Rifts when I played it years ago but my PC's were just killed way too fast. MD was fun in theory but horrendous to try and play with. I had a pile of other books and found after a few game that I really had to carefully tailor in bits. I love the world and lots of the bits but it was just to deadly. The funniest bit was we left Rifts to play Call of Cthulhu as we were tired of chars dying. :)

"The funniest bit was we left Rifts to play Call of Cthulhu as we were tired of chars dying. :)"

I think that speaks books!

:-D

"Not quite…a guy accounting for his company embezzled"

Interesting. That wasn't the story I recall. Wikipedia also pegs the embezzling case as 2002 to 2004. Several years before that Kevin was indeed crying about losing original art masters worth an ever-changing amount of money. The story was that because he published and printed in-house using old non-digital presses, those masters were much more expensive to replace. That also prompted a round of "buy direct" pleading and some sort of special edition to raise money, which apparently worked.

All from the same guy who complained about the lack of magazine coverage back in the late 80s or early 90s, then claimed he had review, response, and edit rights on anything submitted for his games after a couple magazines dared to accept and publish third party articles and reviews. The resulting industry-wide shunning led to him starting up Rifter.

Despite ALL of the failings in the system, I enjoyed the flairy way the GM handled the situations and before leaving I asked him if he could accomodate me as an extra player as soon as the situation allowed it.

That's all the GM. It is a truism that a good GM can make any game enjoyable, while a bad GM can make any game session a miserable trial.

I've seen sub-par GMs try to tackle Rifts with results that can only be described as universally frustrating.

Well, I have discussed things with the RIFTS GM, and we agreed on me playing a 'Sunaj Assassin' from the Atlantis Worldbook.

I rolled the charachter up and as the sheet was getting completed I got almost overwhelmed at how powerful he turned out to be.

Yet the first session went smoothly and was lots of fun both for me and for the rest of the party.

…from the Atlantis Worldbook.

As I understand it, this book blew the power creep curve early and has maintained a healthy(?) position in the power ratings ever since.

Ah yes, Rifts… My buddy used a Veritech to kill off this power gamer guy who was buddies with the GM, and allowed to make a holding that could kill most players by letting him be higher level than the rest.
Couldn't stop a swarm of missiles though, lol

Ooh, resurrected an old thread! My bad!

The Jet bikes are still available , and unfortunately I have no idea at the moment were the mould is for the suited guys.

But As soon as I find it they will go back on sale.

They have been out of stock for a while as I have not updated the website.

I do have plenty of them, they will be on the new website.

The new website goes live over this coming weekend, and it kicks off with a 20% sale.

20% off everything.

Cheers

Mike

Palladium, Fantastic fluff, horrific rules.

Agreed, Duck Crusader.
Also, the Kevin Long and Newton Ewell artwork.

Best,
JBR

Great idea for 15mm gaming. There must be oteer proxies out there for the Coalition troops?

I can see a solo & co-op skirmish campaign forming in my head already using Two Hour Wargames rules….

I'd be game for a platoon (30 or so) of SAMAS-type suits in 15mm.