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Daniel S04 Feb 2012 4:12 p.m. PST

I've restarted my dormant blog with a post on the uniforms worn by the Native Swedish & Finnish regiments at the begining of the invasion of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in 1655.
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corona6604 Feb 2012 4:31 p.m. PST

Thank you Daniel. Your information is always much appreciated.

dbf167604 Feb 2012 7:27 p.m. PST

Always wondered who made 28 mm figs that would work for 1655-60 Swedish infantry. Any ideas, Daniel?

Daniel S05 Feb 2012 5:05 a.m. PST

None I'm afraid since I don't use 28mm myself. On top of that I don't think that there is much in the way of sources describing the actual cut of the coats worn. The classic source is engravings in Pufendorf's history of Karl X Gustav which were based on drawings by Erik Dahlberg who took active part in the wars of 1655-1660.

But this work was published more than 30 years after the war and the soldiers depicted in it have a strong resemblance to the soldiers Dahlberg drew during the Scanian War of the 1670's. IMHO there it is at least plausible that the Pufendorf engravings depict the military fashion of a later period rather than 1655-1660. But it would take a more detailed study to confirm it.

My choice would be the best ECW figures I could find with broad brimmed hats rather than typical ECW headgear such as monmouth caps and Monteros. The longer the coat, the better.

dr beard05 Feb 2012 7:35 a.m. PST

Daniel,

Thanks for posting this information. It's an era that I've been interested in gaming for some time but the lack of information in English has always hampered me.
On a related note how well do you feel the By Fire and Sword range that is now available represents the Swedish army of the Deluge era and also their opponents? I'm tempted but wonder whether to go with the Essex ECW and Eastern Renaissance range.

Kind regards
Andy

Daniel S12 Feb 2012 3:23 p.m. PST

Andy,

In my opinion the Swedes are not as good as the 'Eastern' figures in the By Fire and Sword range. The style is not my cup of tea and I find them very generic with some odd details like the shape and size of the hats. All of which makes them look "wrong" to me but this is at least partly a matter of taste. IMHO you'll find better 'Swedes' with Essex or Matchlock (see below)

When I built my Polish army I used Essex figures but found the range incomplete due to a lack of command figures, musicians and standardbearers for the cavalry. I was able to improvise officers and standardbearers by mixing figures and using the high command pack as well as making use of troops with lances for the flags. Essex Cossack range supplied unarmoured lancers to mix with the unarmoured horse archers.
Another dislike was that the mix of cavalry types incomplete as well, no unarmoured cavalry with carbines, the only Pancerni with a carbine has a weird pose and so on. No bad figures, easy to paint even for an at best average painter like me but flawed. The "Rajtar" figure is a little gem though as it is an unarmoured western cavalryman with sword who can be be very usefull as a Swede & German.

For Polish figures I would look at other makers such as Old Glory 15s and Polish companies like By Fire and Sword and Qr Miniatures. There is also Legio Heroica which look superb but are really for the 1683 army.

The ECW/Generic Western 17th C figs are more complete and you can find all you need in the way of cavalry, infantry, dragoons and artillery if you prefer to buy everything in one place. There are some flaws though how large they can be precived to be depends on how pick one is. For example the cavalry are usually cast with a carbine as part of their equipment, much of the Swedish cavalry didn't have one and it is an added detail to paint. The range also suffers from Essex use of cast on flags so either you have to care fully remove the existing metal flags or be skilled enough to paint the flags by hand. (For the infantry one can paint up pikemen as ensigns and use paper flags with out any problems). The artillery suffers from lacking good 12-pounders and 3-pound regimental cannon, a real drawback given that those were very popular with the Swedes.

Today I would not rely as heavily as I did on Essex but rather shop around for figures much more.

Matchlock miniatures makes a lot of varied and usefull ECW figures, I like these a lot and drafted a lot of the figures I recived as part of an ECW order into my earlier armies. You can build some very varied cavalry units with what is awailable in their ECW and TYW ranges even if you limit yourself to troops wearing hats only. The major drawback is that the cornet is wearing a typicaly English Montero rather than the wide brimmed hat used by Germans or Swedes most of the time. The infantry is also varied and I particularly like some of the musketers who have a rugged "campaign" look.

Old Glory 15's offers several diffrent packs of 17th Century cavalry in hats as part of their ECW & TYW ranges. (Which can be found under "Renaissance and Samurai 1530-1615" link ) I'm going to use these next to expand my Swedish cavalry. Oddly enough I'm less fond of the infantry and it is more distictly TYW than mid 1650's

Peter Pig makes some very usefull artillery, with 4 diffrent gun size it is far easier to recreate 17th Century artillery than with the Essex line up of two different of huge 24-pounders, a 6-pounder and what looks like a 1-pound gun. If you use them PP also makes casulty figures.

To give you an idea of how the apperance of the troops changed during the period

Paintings from 1610-1620

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Paintings from the 1630's

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Paintings from late 1640's to early 1650's

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Belkor24 Feb 2012 2:56 a.m. PST

Daniel S – I have read many educating posts from you. You seem very knowledgeable ragarding TYW (among other things). Could you please suggest some quality litterature on TYW? Being a fellow swede, tips on swedish litterature are also most welcome.

Slappy25 Mar 2012 6:28 a.m. PST

was wondering if ECW figures could be used for the Swedish, Denmark–Norway,Brandenburg-Prussia and the Habsburg Monarchy

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