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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP31 Jan 2012 11:51 a.m. PST

"The ancient southern Messopotamian nation of the Sumerians (4000 to 2000 B.C.) referred to their northern neighbors who lived all the way to the southern Caucasus mountains as "Subar-Ki", meaning the "Subar Land". The Sumerian main dialect was eme-GIR and the second more archaic dialect eme-SU. Shubure was also the name of the great fertile mother goddess of the people of Subartu, assosciated with the agricultural lands and its life sustaining bounty.

After the fall of the Sumerian kingdom around 2000 B.C. another nation rose to the north of them which was a mixed Sumerian and Semitic nation called Akkad. Their famous founder was known as SARGON. The earliest Akkadians however also were largely Sumerians and their language therefore had many non Semitic terms also, which in time became fully adopted by the later Semitic languages. They called the nation of Subar-Ki in northern Mesopotamia by the name Subar-Tu, up until 1,000BC.

Another name of this area, or perhaps more specificly one of the kingdoms of the Subarian people was known as "Hurri, Gurri". The Hurri language is generally the accepted term today for the language of the people of Subar-Tu. Their language was also agglutinative like Sumerian and had many words in common, yet it was a distinct language from it. Hungarian also has some words in common with both Sumerian, Hurrian and Elamite.Elamite is considered a sister tongue of Dravidian who are now constricted to southern India, but were once living in the north. It is no accident that Hungarian also shares many words also with Dravidian and Turkic languages also. All of this indicates that they were at one time less isolated from one another.

The Hurrian descendants also founded the kingdom of Urartu as well as the central Asian kingdom of Khwarezmia, next to the Aral Sea.( S.P.Tolstov, Ancient Khwarezmia, Moscow, 1947 ) [Some Russian researchers claim that Khwarezmia and its area was the possible origin of the Finno-Ugrian and Altaic nations!] The people of Subartu (Hurrians and Subars) lived predominantly in northern Mesopotamia but in very ancient times also in southern Mesopotamia.

The country of the Hurri are mentioned in the Sumerian legend of Gilgamesh as "hurr-uru". These Hurrians are also mentioned in the Bible because in one period the Hurrians spread over most of the Near East and were very prominent. They introduced the horse drawn chariot…"
From "History of the Hungarian Ethnic Designations"

So, the answer is the Hungarians!!.

Maybe of possible interest.


NoLongerAMember Inactive Member31 Jan 2012 12:05 p.m. PST

Well the Magyars came off the Steppe so a connection is possible.

IGWARG1 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian31 Jan 2012 1:48 p.m. PST

Suppose that chariots were actually armored personal carriers. If so, did Ancient Aliens helped in those wars? If so, Magyars are descendants of ancient Aliens!

ancientsgamer Inactive Member31 Jan 2012 1:49 p.m. PST

Hmmm, the problem with this theory is that it ignores the traditional migrations and conquests from Asian nomad tribes that drifted west over the centuries. Also, the Turkish empire bordered Hungary for quite some time. Assuming that things stay static in the face of Hungary essentially being a border area for Asian conquests and also the time periods involved, I think it is a bit of a stretch.

Having said this, I am sure that there are decendents of these peoples still living in Hungary. When you look at history, there are very, very few areas that have not been interbred with humans from other geographic areas. The Basque region in Spain is one of those few areas. Probably some of the Scandinavian countries as well. Everywhere else you have a history of conquest, migrations and intermarriage. The more you read, the more you realize that most of the world is one big melting pot (obviously, island communities would be a huge exception)

As an example, my last name is Tebo which was probably originally Thibault in French. Well it turns out this is a variation on Theobald, which is Germanic. But my research shows that it is also a tribal name that came from Eastern Europe. What is the wager that the name comes from further East? lol Anyway, the name is rather old and means brave/bold people and I am quite sure they didn't just migrate peacefully ;-)

Terrement Supporting Member of TMP31 Jan 2012 2:59 p.m. PST


Terrement Supporting Member of TMP01 Feb 2012 3:34 p.m. PST


Personal logo Condotta Supporting Member of TMP01 Feb 2012 6:53 p.m. PST

Interesting post and theories. The discovery at the bottom of the sea may have found a vessel older than those from Gilgamesh.

An international consortium has negotiated the salvage rights with at least seven different nations supporting the exploration of the wrecked ship, if that is what it is.

The flotilla of surface ships will support at least 3 submarines that will be launched over a 2 month period. The first 2 will film and chart the area, with computerized 3D digitized images prepared to buoy global support. The intent is to encourage financial gain through tourism and royalties from tele and other media coverage.

The third and most important submarine will actually dock with the wreck and using advanced sonar techniques, locate the most advantageous entry point, and will then create a lock at that point. Entry will then be gained and all of the world will know the contents and condition of whatever is down there.

The entry date, if all goes to plan, is scheduled for 21 December, 2012.


Personal logo Bowman Supporting Member of TMP01 Feb 2012 9:00 p.m. PST

Ancientsgamer asks :

……… turns out this is a variation on Theobald, which is Germanic. But my research shows that it is also a tribal name that came from Eastern Europe. What is the wager that the name comes from further East? lol

Actually I would hazard to guess your name is a combination of the Romantic "Theo" meaning God with the Germanic "baldr" meaning brave, or the Faroese "baldur" meaning good, or beautiful. I would guess your name actually means the somewhat non- belligerent "good God". I would also guess your name is as old as other similar names, such as Theodore.

ochoin deach Inactive Member10 Feb 2012 8:22 p.m. PST


About 5600BC, the Mediterranean broke into what is now the Black Sea (formerly a fresh water lake), with a force of about 200 Niagara Falls.

The survivors scattered, seemingly moving as far as possible from the scene of the disaster.

One group, the al_Ubaid people (a long skulled, long nosed people), who spoke a Hungarian-related language, moved to Mesopotamia, bringing stories of the flood & a culture that used pottery & basic metalwork. They are believed to be the precursors to the Sumerian civilisation.

Other tribes (the Vinca) fled to what is now Hungary, denting the idea that they arrived with Attila.

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